Why is it some fishermen and wakeboarders can get along

T Bag · Post by **T Bag** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 4:11 pm

This is mostly in response to BASSK9, bruizer343 and a few inconsiderate individuals. It does not make much sense. It is a public waterway that everyone has rights to. DRA simply got the necessary permits, etc. to hold a competition just like you would need to hold a parade or such. Us "crazy hulligan wakeboarders" were taking every step possible to make it safe for the riders and the other people that use that waterway. I would not tell a fisherman he cannot fish where he wants simply because he was in my line. I would go around him because he has just as much right to be there as I. Lakes and waterways are here for us to enjoy and spend quality bonding time with our friends and families. What sport we do there during that time is each persons OWN choice. There is enough violence, theft, poverty, etc out in the cities, lets not bring it out on the water where we are supposed to be having a good time. For those fishermen AND WAKEBOARDERS out there that have a mutual respect for eachother my hat is off. For those fishermen and wakeboarders out there that could not give a damn about the other person shame on you, take a moment and actually think about what you are doing...

Slippy · Post by **Slippy** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 4:14 pm

in the words of Rodney King...

"cant we all just get along!"

g-man · Post by **g-man** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 4:19 pm

Some Bass fisherman are just as bad as wakeboards! There are rude people in all walks of life, not just on the water! yes some wakeboarders ( rec guys) can be rude as hell, but i have had just as many problems with bass guys too! The water is free for all to use!

Hint, pointing out peoples names on a main forum can catch you some heat! Good luck!! lol

DeltaDan · Post by **DeltaDan** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 4:26 pm

Welcome "T Bag" -- You are now officially a Nut Case !!

Cheers !!

NCBF/WB and da Crew !!

Always,
Dan

T Bag · Post by **T Bag** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 4:29 pm

I understand that there are problems on BOTH sides as I stated... If I catch heat for listing names, ok. Their actions and statments are what caused me to create an account and make this post. I look forward to their replies

g-man · Post by **g-man** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 4:30 pm

Love the screen name welcome aboard, be ready!! lmao!!

bruizer343 · Post by **bruizer343** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 4:36 pm

T Bag wrote:This is mostly in response to BASSK9, bruizer343 and a few inconsiderate individuals. It does not make much sense. It is a public waterway that everyone has rights to. DRA simply got the necessary permits, etc. to hold a competition just like you would need to hold a parade or such. Us "crazy hulligan wakeboarders" were taking every step possible to make it safe for the riders and the other people that use that waterway. I would not tell a fisherman he cannot fish where he wants simply because he was in my line. I would go around him because he has just as much right to be there as I. Lakes and waterways are here for us to enjoy and spend quality bonding time with our friends and families. What sport we do there during that time is each persons OWN choice. There is enough violence, theft, poverty, etc out in the cities, lets not bring it out on the water where we are supposed to be having a good time. For those fishermen AND WAKEBOARDERS out there that have a mutual respect for eachother my hat is off. For those fishermen and wakeboarders out there that could not give a damn about the other person shame on you, take a moment and actually think about what you are doing...

First time poster, welcome.

It's is a safety issue.....It is the location of the noted contest. The area is a high traffic area and a narrow cahnnel.
Blah Blah Blah with your right's. Yadda Yadda......it's getting old.
How many day's a year are you on the delta ?

I live here. I witness daily the inconsiderate action's of the 'we have a right' crowd. Give me a break. If you wakeboarders were so considerate as awhole we would have NO argument. Do you really think we are making it all up..????? Or just me for that matter ???
I will only speak for myself. It's my opinion. The wakes, the noise,the amatuer boat driving skills, the booze, the dope...the attitudes......where do I start and stop.....

The organizer of the event needs to go back to building rockets.

B343

T Bag · Post by **T Bag** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 4:44 pm

Yes bruizer, shame on every single wakeboarder that is out there driving drunk, smoking weed weed while operating a boat, and driving carelessly. I could not agree more and I would personally do everything I could to make sure THOSE people had the book thrown at them and THEY should not be able to use the waters. But those people are few, and I am quite sure that wakeboarders are not the only people to consume alcohol/drugs and operate boats. Based on your assumptions I am a drug addicted alcoholic that has no boating experience whatsoever...

ash · Post by **ash** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 4:52 pm

I think its a toss up between bass fisherman and wakeboarders, the only distinction is that huge *** wake the wakeboader pushes when buzzing around a point or hugging a 5 mile per hour zone. On the flip side its the bass boats that scare the begeebees out of me doing 75 - 80 hugging a point and I am fishing 10 ft off shore on the blind side.

I think WE all have to evaluate ourselves on the water, in terms of looking out for others and not just ourselves. These big go fast boats are dangerous and these big wave pushing boats are also dangerous when they buzz by or back and forth.

ownfl4g · Post by **ownfl4g** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 8:12 pm

I dont think I would have that big of a problem with the wakeboarders using a restricted or 5 mph area once every now and then if they took the proper actions and got permission. I can understand where they are coming from because it could be hard to hold a competition if the lake is crowded with people who dont look where they are going or maybe even a fishermen pulls up in the line and then gets mad when the wakeboard boats keep going back and forth. all about the wakeskate though haha.

sTony · Post by **sTony** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 8:14 pm

Personally I have no problem with the wakeboard crowd. Of course I can safely say that because I do everything I can to avoid them. I wake up earlier, do my fishing and get the heck off the water the first time I get shoved into the tulles by one of those huge wakes.

Has it ever occurred to the wakers in this thread that maybe, just maybe, some of us go out on the water to enjoy the serenity and calmness that the waterways provide? Good ol' peace and quiet. It gets shattered by all the ghetto blasting fools who don't even consider that they're stepping all over someone else's good time.

I've had several scary instances with bass boats, wake boats, jet ski's, water skiers, day cruisers and cigarette boat operators. No one out here on the Delta gives enough consideration to the other user of the resource. No one! And if you think you're not included in this statement then you haven't seen yourself from someone else's perspective.

I really don't care if they shut down a stretch of water way to allow a wake contest. I can always go somewhere else to fish. At the same time, when you see me fishing a stretch of shoreline and you're doing that slow motion, big wake action aiming straight for me it would be nice if you'd consider slowing down and allow me to enjoy myself as well. I'd actually like to spend a hour or two more on the water when I do get to go out.

A a bass boat driving lunatic, I apologize for anything I may have done on the water to offend any other party. I do try to take other s activities into account. But we all sometimes get in the other users way.

It's called common courtesy and there isn't much of going either way on the Delta these days.

sTony

CN · Post by CN » Tue Aug 21, 2007 8:31 pm

Very well said.I was down at San Antonio Saturday and a family came really close to me in a Wakeboard boat throwing out a real good one.

The wife or girlfreind was driving and the one on the ski let go just past me.Great they are going to circle around me.

Nope he got in the boat and I heard him say,honey you came way to close to that guy fishing

Alot of it has to be lack of education on new boater's dont you think.

sTony · Post by **sTony** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 8:53 pm

It really is all about education. I love watching people enjoy themselves at what they love to do. I wouldn't want to get in the way of that for anything. Our waterways are there for all of us to enjoy and hopefully our state government will continue to allow us to do so for many generations to come.

sTony

BShafer · Post by **BShafer** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:12 pm

Working 24 hours at a time you get to know pepole, and some of the guys I work with are hard core wake boarders by this I mean year round. They have there areas they go to and thats it.

Now the funny thing is this, even they can't wait tell labor day weekend comes and goes so they don't have to deal with the fair weather wake boarders. They even tried the 6am to 10am trips to get away from the crowd but found that they couldn't judge the waves because of the shadows, so back to the crowds and waiting.

Me I just go early and fish where they can't go and life is good.

Lance · Post by **Lance** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:45 pm

You guys up North should feel lucky, at least you can hide from wake boarders. Lakes down South, Piru, Castaic and Pyramid its nuts. With access to the whole lake boarders still feel they need to come within 50-75 feet from you, cant say I've had a Bass fisherman do that....not yet.

But if I had to pick between a inconsiderate Bass fisherman that zooms by you leaving a little wake at 65. Or a amateur driving a boat that cant hear anything because the music is blasting, the booze, the dope...and yes, the big time attitudes, I'll take a Bass Fisherman any day. As far as I'm concerned, if a Wake Boarder comes within casting distance of you, you've just become a moving target. I've had plenty of bad encounters with this crowd not counting the poor guy that got sling shoted into on-coming boat traffic ( I was part of that "boat traffic) by his boater, he came so close to my boat my non-boater touched him. Thank God I wasn't high or drunk and that Bass boats are very maneuverable. It would have been this guys last day on the planet. Ya, I'll take Bass fisherman any day.

I cant understand it, in California we have laws that ( in theory ) control everything we do. But there are no laws that stops any idiot from buying a water craft doesn't have brakes, loading it with beer, then blasts music at levels that would get you a ticket in the city. This sort of thing is perfectly legal, damn it thats right, its California

bruizer343 · Post by **bruizer343** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 11:30 pm

+1 to Lance.

BASSK9 · Post by **BASSK9** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:46 am

T bag I must have been mistaken. I thought the organizer was Scott who hangs around Orwood Resort a lot. He is the individual I quoted.
Points to consider:
1) Bass tournaments don't control or impede traffic in any way.
2) Why not just have the competition down in Woodward or Victoria?
3) Why not abide by the law instead of trying to get a permit for a special exemption
4) If you gave away the prizes it was a gift not a loss.

Just how polite and courtious are the Wake Board boaters?

Virtually every weekend afternoon at the Orwood ramp fights, shouting matches and threats can be observed. The boarders get into it with each other while trying to trailer the boats. The Sherriff or several of them are there in order to prevent violence every weekend. You won't see the Sherriff at Russo's or other Bass ramps virtually every Summer weekend afternoon.

Just how polite is it to crank up boom boxes several hundred decibals broadcasting Rap music. Rap music with F words, Sister deeds, killing, raping and other stuff Mom's and Pop's hate for young kids to be exposed to? I hate to be exposed to people who like that music!

Just how polite is it to run the Wake boat within a few feet of other boats rather the others are under way or fishing. Just last Sunday I was out in my pontoon boat in Indian Slough going 15 mph. I couldn't count the number of wakers passing either side of me and close- Like 10 or 15' away! Would you like to see the pictures I took?

Just how polite is it to have your boarders spray a fishermen when he makes his cut to jump?

Just how polite and courtious is it to expect to control recreational boating during your tournament?

Just how polite is it to have the boarder intentionally whipping back and forth in a slough in such a way that a Bass boat cannot safely pass?

Points of intellect?

Just how smart is it for Wake Boarders to exit blind corners pulling a boarder? Observe the intersection of Old River and Woodward Canal on any Summer day. Idiots exit the North canal then U turn into the South canal creating opportunities for tragic accidents. You will also observe idiot Bass fishermen blasting out of there at 70mph with a death wish. However by the stupidity contest is won by the boarders every time you watch.

Just how smart is it to park the Wake Board boat at Ski beach and be stranded hard aground by the outgoing tide? Really super dumb!

In a courtesy contest Wake Boarders lose ever time!
In a safety contest Wake Boarders lose every time!
In an idiot contest Wake Boarders win every time!

Thank you for posting your views. I considered your points and I hope you will consider mine.

Don Davis aka BASSK9

BASSK9 · Post by **BASSK9** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:52 am

T bag

One last point . I invite you to spend a Saturday on my Bass boat and I hope to be invited for a day on your Wake Boat. At the end of the days we compare the list noting courtious observations of Boarders and Bassers or lack thereof..

bruizer343 · Post by **bruizer343** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 6:43 am

come on k9, your stacking the bet....

Rich hamilton · Post by **Rich hamilton** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:14 am

My wakeboard buddies have the hot chicks with them... that is why we get along on those HOT summer days

Scott D. · Post by **Scott D.** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:40 am

Ya know, I just can't resist on giving my 2 cents. I am presently defending this country to protect the freedoms that we have in this great country. But it disgusts me when people take those freedoms out of context and exploit them to fit their own interests. Case in point: anyone has the right to listen to whatever kind of music they want to, but don't consider the fact that everyone else in range doesn't want to be exposed to the cussing, sexual and rape yelling in the lyrics, and the pure volume of it. These jerks don't care about anyone but themselves. And the jerks at the ramp that sit there on the ramp blocking it either loading up or dropping in, and have no concern for the line of people waiting. "Screw them it's my turn and they can wait". NOW, don't get me wrong, BASS FISHERMAN have bad apples that pull this crap too. I've been doing this for a long time, and I can tell yout that as time has gone on, consideration for others has gone WAYYYY down. We live in a "Punkass" society today that is full of morons that think the world owns them everything, and they don't have to give anything to receive "their respect". It's a friggin PLAGUE!!!! When I'm on the water, I can honestly say that with everything I do, I ask myself how it's going to impact others. If I can't safely pass a wakeboarder in a narrow slough because they're weaving back and forth, I don't do it. 2 wrongs don't make a right. I simply wait a minute or so, or take an alternate route. And it pissed me off when a wakeboarder has plenty of open water, but instead comes within casting distance from me. I forget who it was that mentioned Lake Pyramid, but that is the worst lake I have experienced with lack of courtesy. Final thought: everyone does have the right to enjoy their fun on the water. Just consider that someone else is right there next to ya trying to enjoy theirs, and have respect for them.

Joe W. · Post by **Joe W.** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:55 am

There are idiots and inexperienced drivers in every imaginable type of boat, always has been and always will be. Let's not make blanket statements about any one group and just agree that there are idiots on the water where ever you go.

crawdaddy · Post by **crawdaddy** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:53 am

Tbag,
I don't mind the wakeboarders who know what they are doing. The guys that drop their boat in at the ramp and are on their way. They even are fun to watch and they don't wipe out very often. It tends to be the ones who must strut at the ramp, try to out do the next guy in the cool dept. etc....I will say that all I have said above I can say with equal conviction about my fellow bass fishermen. The guys who are quick at the ramp and understand how to navigate crowded waters etc. are a joy to be around. The ones who can't launch or retrieve a boat in a reasonable amount of time or must wipe their boat down in a place that obstructs traffic etc...Nobody is perfect and since waterways are limited resources we must learn to share them or we will all lose.

Lance · Post by **Lance** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 9:50 am

The Wakers that know what their doing stay away from everyone else. Maybe they have the same problem with their own kind

bassindon69 · Post by **bassindon69** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 10:37 am

"We live in a "Punkass" society today that is full of morons that think the world owns them everything, and they don't have to give anything to receive "their respect". It's a friggin PLAGUE!!!!"

I would say you hit the nail on the head buddy. (this is a big part of what is wrong with many young minds) Believe me I know first hand.
How sad it is.

Don.

Joe W. · Post by **Joe W.** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 10:51 am

BASSK9 wrote:T bag I must have been mistaken. I thought the organizer was Scott who hangs around Orwood Resort a lot. He is the individual I quoted.
Points to consider:
1) Bass tournaments don't control or impede traffic in any way.
2) Why not just have the competition down in Woodward or Victoria?
3) Why not abide by the law instead of trying to get a permit for a special exemption
4) If you gave away the prizes it was a gift not a loss.

Just how polite and courtious are the Wake Board boaters?

Virtually every weekend afternoon at the Orwood ramp fights, shouting matches and threats can be observed. The boarders get into it with each other while trying to trailer the boats. The Sherriff or several of them are there in order to prevent violence every weekend. You won't see the Sherriff at Russo's or other Bass ramps virtually every Summer weekend afternoon.

Just how polite is it to crank up boom boxes several hundred decibals broadcasting Rap music. Rap music with F words, Sister deeds, killing, raping and other stuff Mom's and Pop's hate for young kids to be exposed to? I hate to be exposed to people who like that music!

Just how polite is it to run the Wake boat within a few feet of other boats rather the others are under way or fishing. Just last Sunday I was out in my pontoon boat in Indian Slough going 15 mph. I couldn't count the number of wakers passing either side of me and close- Like 10 or 15' away! Would you like to see the pictures I took?

Just how polite is it to have your boarders spray a fishermen when he makes his cut to jump?

Just how polite and courtious is it to expect to control recreational boating during your tournament?

Just how polite is it to have the boarder intentionally whipping back and forth in a slough in such a way that a Bass boat cannot safely pass?

Points of intellect?

Just how smart is it for Wake Boarders to exit blind corners pulling a boarder? Observe the intersection of Old River and Woodward Canal on any Summer day. Idiots exit the North canal then U turn into the South canal creating opportunities for tragic accidents. You will also observe idiot Bass fishermen blasting out of there at 70mph with a death wish. However by the stupidity contest is won by the boarders every time you watch.

Just how smart is it to park the Wake Board boat at Ski beach and be stranded hard aground by the outgoing tide? Really super dumb!

In a courtesy contest Wake Boarders lose ever time!
In a safety contest Wake Boarders lose every time!
In an idiot contest Wake Boarders win every time!

Thank you for posting your views. I considered your points and I hope you will consider mine.

Don Davis aka BASSK9

This is the most ridiculous generalization I have ever read. I guess when I go wakeboarding this weekend I have to act like a f'ing jerk so I can fit your description.

T Bag · Post by **T Bag** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 10:59 am

I could not agree more that there are in fact more non experienced, non caring, a holes in wake boats then bass boats. I have almost been killed or in an accident more times because of other wakeboarders/skiers. I think alot of this has to do with the age group that is attracted to the sport. They are generally less experienced, because they are just getting into boating. It does not mean that because of this we are all bad people that have no concern for others. Please do not try to prevent our sport from progressing and enjoying ourselves because of the ones that create problems. I would be willing to bet that many wakeboarders will later in life pickup fishing and drop the sport and at that time they will be an experienced boater that trys to get along with others... Take the a-holes for a-holes, not taking the sport and calling them all a-holes

Joe W. · Post by **Joe W.** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:18 am

Funny that people complain about inexperienced boaters. How the heck do you get experience? You get out on the water as an inexperienced boater. Every single person on here has been there. Nobody was born an experienced boater.

g-man · Post by **g-man** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:23 am

Agreeded, but you gotta use your brain too! Some guys just don't get it! I'm not hating on wakeboarders, or bass guys, but there are good, and bad in both! And in everything for that matter!

Lance · Post by **Lance** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:29 am

I'll back up that statement Tbag. I believe many Boarders will get into fishing, why? Its the outdoors and the water. Ray L and I started talking to some boarders at Pyramid, they were pretty cool guys, even offered us a beer....but we declined

The cool part is we "talk" about things that happen on the water between Bass fishermen and Wakeboarders. As a result both of us left knowing a little more about each others hobbies. Later on I saw him, he waved to me with a arm action like "get anything yet"?, from about 100 yards away....pretty cool

Andy Giannini · Post by **Andy Giannini** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:58 am

In response to Joe's question, "how do you get experience?"

Thats easy, you ride with someone that has experience, listen up, and take notes. I rode for quite awhile as a nonboater with different pilots. I call operating a bassboat piloting because they aren't that far off from flying a plane IMHO.

Some guys are good to learn from, and it doesn't take long to figure out when you are riding with an idiot. You can tell, and you don't have to be a boating expert to figure it out.

Of course, every situation was not run across, so I would call them if I had a question. I still do that. The other nice thing was the Dept. Of boating and Waterways ABCs of Boating booklet which you can PDF online if you wish.

I am not being a smart aleck, just trying to be honest about how I learned about boating. If one guy reads this, and picks up the handbook describing Ca. boating laws, that would be great.

I also worked my way up in boats too. I started out in tiny pond hoppers, bought a Tracker style boat, finally got a glass one with a 90, and then a 19 with a 200. I did not start out with a really powerful craft.

.02 A.G.

mac (Doyle McEwen) · Post by **mac (Doyle McEwen)** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:09 pm

Good points there AG..I have had the pleasure of riding in the boat with many really thoughtful boaters..I can also say at this time I have not been in the boat with one that I would consider wreckless or dangerous..I know they are out there, because just like most of you I have seen them..Some of the ones I really do not understand are those that don't utilize an observer or in some cases not even a flag to indicate a skier down in the water..I saw a bunch of that during the Rally and pre-fish for the Rally..I didn't see any fishermen doing anything that I personally thought was dangerous during that time period, but I have seen a lot on the Delta doing things that were in my opinion very unsafe and unwise..I do not have the boating experience that many of you have, but I do know what safe and unsafe boating practices are..I do not know how we will ever be able to prevent many of them, but your simple plan would be and is a great start..

mac

buddy brown · Post by **buddy brown** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:19 pm

For the most part fisherman are stationary or slowly workin a spot. The wakeboard boats are cruising by US and they have to make the choice whether to abide by the rules or cross the line. I believe the rule is 200 ft away from the shore or a stationary boat. The problem is they never follow that.. Another thing is that they always play f@g music.. Depeche mode or Club music blasting away over and over again as they pass by. I wouldn't mind some Slayer, Bob marley or Johnny Cash.. It is usually the wake or skiers choice to do the right thing and they never do because they are clueless or they enjoy PArading around like "look at me"

MaddMaggs · Post by **MaddMaggs** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 2:39 pm

My two RMOs on the subject:

I got props for TBag...to walk into the lions den when he knows he's the target of their hunt. KUDOS my man...

Yes, I have issues with some boaters and situational awareness on the water. Showing off for friends or Hot Doggin' it is acceptable but not all of the time and only under the best circumstances. Look at the block headed move Gerald Swindle pulled this year. He was Hot Doggin' it for the camera...and it got him in hot water.

What do you do about the loud music at Clear Lake when the casino has a concert and you dont like the band, or a house party? Leave your honey hole cuz Aerosmith says "S*ck on my big 10 inch" (which is in reference to the size of a music record)...NO your are gonna fish and ignore the sounds of Steven Tylerâ€™s voice. EXACT SAME THING as same those thumping tubes on wakeboard boats. IGNORE it and fish on.

The only way we are going to solve this is to ignore the persistent bug bite or act like human beings, wave our arms over our heads till we get their attention, CALMLY explain to them that what they are doing may not be the safest thing in the world to be doing at that exact moment, shake hands and press.

Barry Watson · Post by **Barry Watson** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 6:29 pm

MY partner and I have turned wake boarding to our advatage while fishing a number of times. We usually fish mid week and when the water is clear and flat, I have flagged down wake boarders and asked if they would be kind enough to make a couple of runs close to the tules and throw their wakes up on the bank for us. When that water clouds up and gets a little mud line out on the edge of the tules, the bite will improve. those buried fish will ease out to the edge cause they feel safer. My old pal, Dennis Parika used to run his Skeeter up and down the bank, but I would just as soon let some other guy burn his gas. LOL

The boarders usually are amazed that a couple of old dude fisherman actually want them on the water and in our area. I have seen them stop out on the lake and wait till we snatch a fish out and cheer and give us high fives. Many come up at the ramp and ask, " Hey dude, howed ya do. Hey thats cool, blah blah. I'm gonna fish some myself this year.

Lance · Post by **Lance** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 6:42 pm

The music choices have always left me asking myself "why" It seems some of these boarders have no taste in music. 70's disco? Hall and Oats? damn I heard the Bee Gee's last time I was out. If your going to blast music at least blast some "newer" stuff. Pantera, Dope, Finger Eleven or Rage, something!!

ownfl4g · Post by **ownfl4g** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:34 pm

I was at clearlake like a week ago and was walking down to my boat at the dock with some rods to go out for the evening and there was a wakeboard boat full of younger guys all drinking and stuff and when i walk by one of them goes "ah a senko and a frog" haha just kinda caught me off guard

CN · Post by CN » Thu Aug 23, 2007 6:49 pm

T Bag,let me throw this at ya.I have been fishing San Antonio the last month every weekend.I have been seeing this boat,an Allison,running up and down the lake so everybody know's just how damn fast his boat is.

Made damn sure I saw him a few time's.I saw ya last week and the one before ok yes your at least 30mph faster than my Ranger barge I get it.To generalize everyone that has a Wakeboard boat is not right it only make's em hate us worse.Try launching,well before the new ramp,in Moss Landing when the Salmon are hot.Talk about a frigin joke.

To me the main problem is Alchohol.(sp)

leachman90 · Post by **leachman90** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 7:54 pm

I just got off the water so this is fresh in my mind.I don't like wakers or water lice because either they are just plain "not smart" and don't realize the problems they are causing or they just don't care.Two times tonight guys came within a cast from me and one was even closer than that.And I guess the "not smart" statment comes from one of the guys that must not have had a clue because he took his boat right over a rock pile that is just under the water and he could have hurt his boarder very badly.These guys come out on the river and don't really know where they are going or what type of water they are going through.And what is with the running as close to shore thing all about?While they are at it they can wake everyone on shore as well.I won't even get started on the music.
On the water 2 days ago doing the same drift about 50 times and even though we were there for about 3 hours on the same small stretch jet skiers(water lice)just could'nt stay away from us.Same set of guys going around us the whole time as well as some very young girls probibly 14-16 yrs old thatseemed to have never been taught any etiquette about being on the water.I do feel the same way about alot of Jet Boaters to,those guys never seem to slow it down and think just because they are running a jet they can just go anywhere as fast as they can.

Now my dis-claimer:There are some of these folks out there that go out of there way to seperate themself from the problem makers and I do applaud them for that.It just seems that the guys that cause trouble stick out more.Rant over.GB...Jim

Lance · Post by **Lance** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 2:47 am

A couple of years ago I fished a WON Bass Pro/Am at Havasu. Having a good bag my Pro and I decided to come in early. So we sat outside the check in area and Dropshoted. So these Bozo's in a ski boat, the kind with the big role bar lookin thing came in really fast into a 5 mph zone. They were so cool, heads bouncing to some loud Rap, hats sideways, lookin pretty cool. As you can imagine when they came off plane a bunch of Bass guys were waving their hands in the air "what the hell are you doing" as a result the driver flipped one of the Bass guys guys off. At that time my Pro said in a low voice some choice words about the actions of these guys. Then he said, hey Lance, look (pointing at the cool dudes) see it? No, I said. Watch, just watch, 3,2,1 eeeeerrrrccccrrrrroooshhh. Holy crap what happened?, Pro said, dummy just went right into a rock reef and just killed his prop and drive shaft. Everyone started clapping, but then you could see the panic when his boat started to be blown onto the big rock jetty, I don't think I need to say what happened after that......Sometimes people are just to cool.

T Bag · Post by **T Bag** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 9:51 am

CN dude honestly I have no idea what your trying to say and yes I think the main problem may be alcohol. Totally kidding of course..

Lance your right, the guys in that boat were being total a-holes and probably got what they deserved. Let me shoot this at ya though, do you think if you had gone over and helped AFTER he had already damaged his boat pretty bad on the reef but before he completely trashed his boat. Do you think that would have possible changed his dickish attitude and made him think more about his actions? I would be willing to bet he would have shared his positive experience with all of his friends. I bet they all would have changed their views on alot of the fishermen out there and given them alot more respect and space on the water. This would have really showed that you were willing to be the bigger man and still lend a helping hand

Terry Smith · Post by **Terry Smith** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 10:22 am

T- bag , Helping this person out is not going to change who they are. If they are arrogant they will still be that way after you help them. Ether you are new to being on the water or just haven't had any bad experiences as of yet. But in time on the water you will see what most people are talking about. If you have time to go to Orwood boat launch down by Discovery Bay( Please bring your video camera for laughs later) and just sit and watch how the Bass boat people handle themselves and how the Wakeboard/ski boats handle themselves. Then come back and tell us your thoughts.

T Bag · Post by **T Bag** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 10:38 am

Well I am a wakeboarder and will be for a long time. I have a boat that throws a big wake and a stereo that make alot of noise and I have been known to where a hat sideways now and again. I will continue to enjoy our lakes, rivers, and anything else I can get wet in. I will also continue to respect the fishermen out there, give them as much space as I can, watch my wake, operate as safely as possible, help out everyone else as much as I can and fight every last tree hugger that wants to shut down our lakes with my bare fists if thats what it takes.

And due to some responses here, I will play a VARIETY of music so at least if the fishermen out there have to listen to it, I might play something they like every now and again.

Hope maybe one of you all has seen that not all of us are terrible.

bruizer343 · Post by **bruizer343** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 10:45 am

If a life safety issue occured,a hott drunk babe in need of advanced life support, I would gladly get involved.

Just as soon I finnished catching it all on my video phone.

This thread is a joke now. I could teach a chimp better boat manners than a wakeboarder/boat driver could comprehend,
dood

Be Safe, were all out here together.