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Dan McKenzie
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Vickie Iseman-who is this woman

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I believe that McCain has been palling around with a known lobbyist- :lol: as the saying goes "a leopard never changes his spots".




Andrew Romano

With the cable-news commentators barking away about whether or not the New York Times should have dropped this morning's McCain bombshell suggesting improper behavior concerning a former lobbyist--and politicos salivating over a New Republic story about internal strife at the paper--it seems like everyone is starting to forget that in the beginning, this wasn't a story about journalism. It was a story about John McCain. So let's step back, take a deep breath and reexamine the facts.


1. Did John McCain have a "romantic relationship"--the Times' words, not mine--with 40-year old former lobbyist Vicki Iseman in 1999-2000?

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We have no idea whatsoever. First of all, the story doesn't pretend to prove that an affair was actually going on. Instead, it says that "top advisers" were "convinced the relationship had become romantic" and "intervened to protect the candidate from himself." The distinction is important; we're talking about concerns within a campaign, not anything approaching evidence of a love connection.

Secondly, nowhere in the story do the top advisers themselves actually confirm that they were worried about an affair. Instead, every hint of "romance" comes to us secondhand through "former campaign associates" who "had become disillusioned with the senator." As Marc Ambinder at the Atlantic notes, "associates" is "an umbrella term for friends, family members, aides and the like," but "if the Times really had former paid campaign staffers--aides--making these allegations, it would have attributed them to 'aides.'" Here's a typical sentence: "According to two former McCain associates, some of the senator’s advisers had grown so concerned that the relationship had become romantic that they took steps to intervene."


So it's anonymous "associates" relaying what they say were the suspicions of actual staffers--after those associates had become disillusioned with the campaign. Not the best sourcing. Of course, it doesn't help that McCain, as Matthew Yglesias puts it, "repeatedly cheated on his first wife Carol, of a number of years, with a variety of women, before eventually dumping her for a much-younger heiress whose family fortune was able to help finance his political career." (McCain has admitted that he had affairs.) But despite that backdrop, any report alleging a damaging affair by a current presidential candidate needs to be air tight--especially if it's nearly a decade old. It's clear that the Times hasn't come close to proving that McCain strayed again.

2. So was his relationship with Iseman even a cause for concern?

Absolutely. Just ask John Weaver. McCain's closest confidant at the time, Weaver has openly admitted to numerous media outlets (including the Times, the Washington Post, Politico and the National Review) that, according to the Post, he "met with Vicki Iseman at the Center Cafe at Union Station and urged her to stay away from McCain"; Iseman confirmed the encounter. According to the Times, the meeting came after she began "turning up with [McCain] at fund-raisers, visiting his offices and accompanying him on a client’s corporate jet."

Weaver elaborated this morning in an interview with the National Review's Byron York:


[Weaver] said he "had no reason to think" that McCain might have been having an affair with Iseman, but he was concerned about word he had heard suggesting that Iseman was telling associates she had connections with McCain... "When you hear back from several people that this person is saying they can get anything done, then that is alarming," Weaver continued. So Weaver met with Iseman, at a Union Station restaurant, and told her to back off. He told me he didn't exactly say, "Get lost," but that that was the gist of it. "The discussion lasted all of five or six minutes in which I told her to cut that stuff out," Weaver told me. "I said, 'You need to stop this.'" Iseman's response, according to Weaver: "She was not happy."

That's not anonymous innuendo; it's hard, cold, on-the-record fact. Combine Weaver's admission with the Times first-hand reporting, which revealed that "a former campaign adviser described being instructed to keep Ms. Iseman away from the senator at public events, while a Senate aide recalled plans to limit Ms. Iseman’s access to his offices," and it's clear that McCain's top brass thought McCain's relationship with Iseman was a problem--whether it was "romantic" or not. (The Washington Post reports that "concern about Iseman's presence around McCain at one point led to her being banned from his Senate office, according to sources close to McCain.") Weaver says the "get lost" meeting was a matter of preserving McCain's political persona. "Our political messaging during that time period centered around... placing the nation’s interests before either personal or special interest,â€
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I hope we all get to meet this woman in the next few weeks, talk about a bigtime October surprise:

The Obama Girlfriend Story: It's Real

Having now spoken to someone tracking the story, I can say:

1) It's not just a silly little rumor.

2) It will break in some form shortly. The question is how prestigious an outlet breaks it. (PS, at best, it won't be that prestigious, at least at first, but there's a lot here so when someone finally touches, there is a good chance of an Edwards-like "Oh yeah, we were working on that too" pile-on.) Fire is being held as those who know the story try to get someone of import to break it; if they pass, it will be flooded out through secondary channels.

3) The story has a Fred Baron. Not The Fred Baron. But actually-- an even better Fred Baron. The woman is "working" in the Caribbean drawing a salary from.... uhhh... let's say from someone who is a big, shiny part of the dirty Chicago political machine. And it makes no sense that she's doing her supposed "job," for which she seems unqualified anyway, in the Caribbean, of all places. It's unclear how she could possibly do this job at all, never mind from the Caribbean.

4) This woman was a major, big-time fundraiser. She raised x millions of dollars for various Democratic interests (connected to Obama) and then opened her own shop in DC. Since she was (as any fundraiser does) getting a cut of the take, this was a lucrative job. But she, for reasons unfathomable, suddenly shut the shop down and decamped to a little Caribbean island. And somewhere along the line got a "job" from her own Fred Baron. Which conveniently put her far away from Obama, Michelle, and the media.

5) Within hours of the Daily Mail article breaking, she called the Illinois HQ of the Obama campaign. They wouldn't talk to her.

Incidentally, didn't Obama vacation in the Caribbean after he won the primaries...? Oh that's right, he did. I raised this with my source who, alas, hadn't even made that connection.
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No one would have believed the Edwards mess either. One look at Obama's old lady and anyone would let him off the hook for wandering once in a while. She looks like my dog walking backwards. :shock:
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o.k so how does it go from Vicki Iseman to Edwards to you calling Obamas wife a dogs whatever?
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I guess no one understood the point you were trying to make.
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if there is one, I guess it would be; McCain paints himself as ALWAYS putting America first, I would say that is highly questionable if not outright false.
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I don't disagree. Since 70% of voters were against the bailout and it passed with an extra 130 billion in extra pork it is obvious that we do not have a representative form of government. Both parties conspire to make it impossible to vote them out en masse. We need another revolution.
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I found that interesting, without the pork the bill tanked, add in the pork and it passes. and now it appears that they want to do something entirely different than what Bush proposed with the money. just more bait and switch with taxpayer dollars. a revolution just may be needed somewhere down the road. I always think back to the prime minister of Romania when their people revolted, hung him from a lightpole if I remember correctly.
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