Ok maybe Im getting old. BUT

biteme · Post by **biteme** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:39 pm

What the hell is with the names of some of these frogs??? I really dont get it. I know what the names mean but how can snag proof go down this road? I listen to Rap, I roll on 24's. My trailer has wheels on it. This sport has been pretty clean. Im just not sure the names are good for todays youth that want to buy a snag proof frog. Thoughts?
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Steve · Post by **Steve** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 12:06 am

Come on Homey, get up to speed with Ebonics!

ash · Post by **ash** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 3:46 am

Well they are Ish's frog, perhaps that was part of the line up counter culture \ drug culture. I do think it will be fun in the garage when you tell your buddy hey if your going to the store grab me some chronic, purple kush and a some buck nasty on the back side....

Skeeterman · Post by **Skeeterman** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 4:12 am

Thiers a sexy Ish frog.How come thiers no sexy ash frog?

Terry Smith · Post by **Terry Smith** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 4:21 am

Look at some of the names for Reaction Inovations colors. Just A sign of the times and reaching out to a different market

mark poulson · Post by **mark poulson** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 4:36 am

Terry Smith wrote:Look at some of the names for Reaction Inovations colors. Just A sign of the times and reaching out to a different market

Terry's right, it's about marketing, and trying to be eye catching and different.
Remember the old show business expression, "There's no such thing as bad publicity".
Getting noticed in a crowd is what this is all about.
It doesn't make it good, or tasteful, but it helps get your product noticed.
I'm old enough that I don't even know what most of those "hip" drug terms mean.
I come from a time when reds, bennies, tuinols, and home grown weed were the big thing. Heroin was smack, and cocaine was snow.
Not better, just different.
Have a little faith. It's just the latest fad.

Andy Lippert · Post by **Andy Lippert** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 5:02 am

I'll tell you what, I'm 24 years old, and consider myself "in with the times" however references to different types of an illegal drug for fishing lures is absolutely ridiculous. I'm no bible thumper, but honestly, I will not be buying these frogs because of their turn down the wrong road. Just cause everyone is "doing" it doesn't make it right, we all know that. Good publicity, bad publicity, whatever you wanna call it, they just lost a customer due to their decision.

Andy

Ricky-S · Post by **Ricky-S** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 5:26 am

Looks like the names are already working.

Like it or not it is a play on words which appear to be ment to get a person's attention. Agree or disagree those names will cause a lot of people to talk about the lure and look it.

Not that he needs defense. As someone who has known Ish and traveled with him for all of my adult life-I have NEVER seen him indulge in drugs, drug culture, or anything else that might be considered illegal.

Popular culture has a hand on many things. I find myself saying that I have a legal hustle aka a job. There is no doubt that the music influences the terms that we use and they way that we refer to things.

We also have code words for baits-or maybe we are the only ones that do that?

Does it make it right-that is for the individual to decide.

Iâ€™ll say this-if those chronic frogs catch fish like they look like they might-they will be in my tackle boxâ€¦.

If he wanted to be really on the edge he should have named the black frog El Negro (a river somewhere in Central America) because that's what some of us call it when we don't want people to know what color we are using.

It was only a matter of time until this discussion came up....

YZKEN250 · Post by **YZKEN250** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 5:58 am

Ya I can hear it now. Hey Mike, reach in there and hand me a "Dirty Sanchez", its next to the Chronic.

Brian D. · Post by **Brian D.** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 7:03 am

that when the dardevle spoon came out it was quite contorversial. It was renamed from dare devil.

fishinman · Post by **fishinman** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 8:07 am

It's a sick world. Yes I'm amazed and amused by some of the things that market people! Fishing and hunting should be a wholesome sport that can stand on it's own pleasures without sexual or druggy connotations!!!! Wait till KVD says on National TV " their eating the wet kitty in the morning but in the afternoon I'll switch too the pole banger for more bites."

Mike · Post by **Mike** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 8:09 am

I consider myself "Hip" but these are very bad taste IMO. I think Connie needs to look up a few definitions and see if she still wants to put these out.

JustinD · Post by **JustinD** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 8:19 am

Who gives a rats......Society is so worried about things like names that have real little real value in this world. Anyone seen the protesters on the tube protesting "Psyco Donuts" shop. Spare me with the "its not PC" group or its offensive. Bottom line if you don't like it then stay away. This is where were headed along with b.s. central healthcare and mass prescrip drugs and psychotic meds. ect........Adapt and survive or join the stuck in the old days group and get passed up. Remember when computers were only for commercial use or businesses. BWAHAHAWHAHAWA. O)h and I';l take a few of the NORCO frogs and a quatre of the chronic frogs......and does the sexy Ish frog come with scent...errrrr I mean cologne.

Mike · Post by **Mike** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 8:28 am

Your a father Justin. We are going to have a hard enough time keeping our kids off drugs growing up. Fishing is one of the ways to keep kids off drugs, but when company's are marketing their baits names to mimic drugs and come up with these "cool" names, it make drugs sound cool, that's not "Cool" In my opinion.

upriverLMB · Post by **upriverLMB** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 8:28 am

Society has concerns for reasons, like when health activists got on Micky Dâ€™s for asking if you wanted to super size it. Oh sorry JD you must not have heard the concerns with that

brian evans · Post by **brian evans** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 8:29 am

i feel the same way as most, i dont agree with this kind of stuff for the fishing/hunting/outdoor culture. its a topwater frog, not the name of a rap song. they lost me as a customer as well

JustinD · Post by **JustinD** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 8:35 am

I hear ya Mike but It's not leaving anytime soon as all you can do is educate your kids and hope for the best. As far as the Mickey D's thing.... were a fat society and that all stems from gutteny. If ya don't like McD's and don't want to be a fat cow dont eat there. Its all about choices and no one makes those choices but the individual. Live and learn.....Make mistakes and what doesn't kill ya makes ya stronger. Just because those frogs have differrent names doesn't mean you have to refer to them as that. Same as a beaver.....I mean sweet beaver are you kidding me.....

biteme · Post by **biteme** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 8:39 am

Im shocked at some of the replies here. This is fishing right? Cmon kids coming into the sport look up to Ish. With these names and the fact that its a Ish frog it makes it look cool. I can hear it now, Ish smokes and look where hes at. Im not saying he does but Im sure after this many will think so.
Maybe some of your are defending it because it just Pot. How many would feel different if a white one was called Cocaine? Im sure thats next.

g-man · Post by **g-man** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 8:45 am

Pass the purple kush? LOL

JustinD · Post by **JustinD** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 8:48 am

What if he had a grren frog with white lines on it and called it a cappy bowl.....BWHAAHAHWHAHHAHWAHA.

mac (Doyle McEwen) · Post by **mac (Doyle McEwen)** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 9:03 am

I guess I am really out in left fiels, I don't or rather didn't have a clue as to what the names do or might make reference to..Jist call me past my prime..But I do like that color called "fried green tomato"..It isn't out on any frogs that I know of though..

mac

Andy Lippert · Post by **Andy Lippert** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 9:10 am

Aye, Biteme, like Justin said, who cares? Get on board with the demoralization of our sport, or get outa the way...

There's a fine line in marketing, as outlandish crap like this is frequently used to cause a stir, but this is just overboard. Like I said before, I'll no longer be using Snag Proof frogs regardless of how well they may work, just like I won't buy crap made in China, regardless of how cheap it may be.

Justin, there are things called standards, and bass fishing has a tradition of holding HIGH standards, its just too bad that SP had to sink so low, and get rid of whatever standards they used to have. Comparing the naming of frogs to the computer generation? You need to come up with some new stuff brotha, as this is one of the most laughable comparisons I've seen in a long time.

We all need to get rid of the passive attitude, watching society sink away into what we all never imagined it could. (you said it yourself gluttony, psycho drugs etc etc) Buying this crap only takes us one step further into the society that you said yourself you don't like, so why do it?

Andy

g-man · Post by **g-man** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 9:12 am

mac (Doyle McEwen) wrote:I guess I am really out in left fiels, I don't or rather didn't have a clue as to what the names do or might make reference to..Jist call me past my prime..But I do like that color called "fried green tomato"..It isn't out on any frogs that I know of though..

mac

the names are references of drugs, and sex...

NickTheLittleStick · Post by **NickTheLittleStick** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 9:22 am

I understand where both sides are coming from on this. I think that people can take the color names the wrong way, but I also think that it is nothing more then a way to broaden their market. Its not like the package is gonna say you should go out and smoke weed to get where I am. If its a concern to you that your kids might start doing drugs from seeing the names of the color of frogs then its your job as a parent to teach them the right path in life, but I also think its a little far fetched to truely believe that is gonna be what pushes them into trying drugs. If that is your thoughts, you should not be letting your children watch any t.v. or listen to any music or go on the internet. Im not saying its right but drugs and drug refrences are all over the place in this day and age.

mark poulson · Post by **mark poulson** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:05 am

NickTheLittleStick wrote:I understand where both sides are coming from on this. I think that people can take the color names the wrong way, but I also think that it is nothing more then a way to broaden their market. Its not like the package is gonna say you should go out and smoke weed to get where I am. If its a concern to you that your kids might start doing drugs from seeing the names of the color of frogs then its your job as a parent to teach them the right path in life, but I also think its a little far fetched to truely believe that is gonna be what pushes them into trying drugs. If that is your thoughts, you should not be letting your children watch any t.v. or listen to any music or go on the internet. Im not saying its right but drugs and drug refrences are all over the place in this day and age.

+10

As parents, it's our job to keep them off drugs. If some off-colored advertisements are going to be the tipping point, we haven't done our jobs, and we need to take responsibility for our failures, and stop trying to blame in on adds, or tv, or music. Man up!

Vince E · Post by **Vince E** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:12 am

It's the lack of good taste by people in marketing that have greatly contributed to why our country and world is what it is.

If people were not so willing to do anything to grab market share we might not have a world that's "headed that way" and the challenges young people face might not be as severe.

As far as it being "only a name", humans are very much symbol driven in our response to stimuli. Names and logo have a powerful effect, why do think you can't open your eyes without seeing some form of them. They work, although we would be a lot better off if they didn't.

JustinD · Post by **JustinD** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:16 am

Andy wake up man....the comparision is of ideaological reference not hardware. Its the rush to judgement that gets me. Demoralization of our sport.....BWAHHAHAWHAHAWAAAAAAWAWWWHAA.
Turn on the boob tube....literally. Start with that first. The frog names are down on my priority list.
Go Obama I need a stimulous package just for me........I'm mad at the world and don't feel llike working anymore Andy's got me stressed.

Maybe we can have a beer on the governments dime......at the white house.

bruizer343 · Post by **bruizer343** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 11:09 am

you mean a 40 on the lawn of the white house.

JustinD · Post by **JustinD** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 11:16 am

I just pissed myself......a 40 of OE.....and some dank.

Its all about choices and no one makes those choices but the individual.

Thats what makes the US great. You have that option provided by our soldiers/warriors. Thats why I'm involved and so stoked to be in the Wounded Warriors Event DBT has Aug. 15.....good s**t.

offduty · Post by **offduty** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 11:31 am

The names are pretty lame and turned me off as soon as I saw them, but to each his own I guess.

I will not be buying any because I do feel Pro Anglers can be looked up to as role models by kids and I think those names were very poor choices at best. Just my 2 cents.

I was not going to say anything but since there is a thread going, game on.

Marketing has always been a touchy subject for me, some will say or do anything they can to sell a product. I find that very insulting that they think I will believe their B.S. and buy because of hype or some type of marketing trick.

I do not buy that way, a top notch product always stands out and sells through word of mouth.

Andy Lippert · Post by **Andy Lippert** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 11:33 am

Justin, you'll have a good time at that tournament. I fished the WWBT II down here on Vail Lake in May as a non-boater, and had an outstanding time. The events do a lot more than people think giving our sport exposure (in a positive light, imagine that POSITIVE EXPOSURE), and giving a deserving person a relaxing day on the water.

Andy

Steve Reed · Post by **Steve Reed** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 11:35 am

I think Chronic refers to something that is persistent. Purple Kush refers to the mountain range in afghanistan by the name of hindu kush. It is said as the sun falls upon it it has yellow and purple glow. Buck nasty is refering to a male deer with a nasty disposition.

I don't see what is wrong with the names?

Anyone?

massbaster · Post by **massbaster** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 11:38 am

I dont care if it was called a@@ f**K frog if somebody wins a tournament with one you know your going to buy one.

Ricky-S · Post by **Ricky-S** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 11:41 am

Great job Steve. Putting that UCD education to work. Unfortunately we both no that most guys wont look those things up

JustinD · Post by **JustinD** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 11:54 am

Thats it Steve......See we were making a mountain out of a mole hill...or in this case the Himalyian Knot. Cough cough I got that persistant chronic cough.

g-man · Post by **g-man** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 12:10 pm

Maybe competitive bass fishing orgs should start random drug tests?

I personally don't GAF what they are called. If they work I'll use them, if they don't I won't. A name of a product will not make me buy them, or not buy them. Theres way more important things to worry about then what a frog lure for fishing is called. IMO

Mike · Post by **Mike** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 12:14 pm

Feel free to look them up Steve. You have tp speek "Urban" to understand

http://www.urbandictionary.com/

JustinD · Post by **JustinD** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 12:22 pm

Mike I love ya twitchy.

Terry Smith · Post by **Terry Smith** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 12:24 pm

What if it was called the Hopp'n Hobenero Frog????

JustinD · Post by **JustinD** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 12:29 pm

BWAHAHAWHAHAHWA...

ironman · Post by **ironman** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 12:41 pm

JustinD wrote:Who gives a rats......Society is so worried about things like names that have real little real value in this world. Anyone seen the protesters on the tube protesting "Psyco Donuts" shop. Spare me with the "its not PC" group or its offensive. Bottom line if you don't like it then stay away. This is where were headed along with b.s. central healthcare and mass prescrip drugs and psychotic meds. ect........Adapt and survive or join the stuck in the old days group and get passed up. Remember when computers were only for commercial use or businesses. BWAHAHAWHAHAWA. O)h and I';l take a few of the NORCO frogs and a quatre of the chronic frogs......and does the sexy Ish frog come with scent...errrrr I mean cologne.

+1 its all in fun its not hurting anyone plus you never forget your favorite color if its buck nasty lol

Phil Burgess · Post by **Phil Burgess** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 12:43 pm

they should name the white one

KEY BUMP SPEICAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TritonBrent · Post by **TritonBrent** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 12:55 pm

JustinD wrote:I just pissed myself......a 40 of OE.....and some dank.

Thats my boy!!!

JustinD · Post by **JustinD** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 12:55 pm

Do that Philly and I bet there would be a lot of new inner city fisher people......BWAHHAHWHAHAW.

Phil Burgess · Post by **Phil Burgess** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 1:25 pm

WHAT HAPPENED TO THE PINAPPLE EXPRESS!!!!!!! BWAAAAAAA

BOTTOM LINE WE COULD SIT HERE AND COME UP WITH A TON OF WORSE NAMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AH AHA HA HA LMAO

JustinD · Post by **JustinD** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 1:27 pm

BOTTOM LINE WE COULD SIT HERE AND COME UP WITH A TON OF WORSE NAMES

Including "the bottom line"......

FIVEtenthz · Post by **FIVEtenthz** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 1:33 pm

Really? Give me a break. There are alot more serious things in this world that will influence kids to do drugs then plastic frogs. Its a marketing tactic. You want the sport to grow? You need to appeal to the younger generation. All the old pioneers aren't gonna be around forever. Andre Moore and Reaction Innovations have done the same thing. White Trash? Dirty Sanchez? California 420? Sweet Beavers? I've got another card in the hole I could play but I'd rather not go there. This is something that needs to be gotten over with quickly.

Jason C. · Post by **Jason C.** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 1:54 pm

I really dont want to get in all of this, but against my better judgement I am. As far as comparing these names to Reaction Innovations, those names for the majority of them, are sexual refferences. Not drugs. The references these frogs are making, I personally dont like. Will I buy the frogs? You bet I will, I wont let a name stop me from buying them. I will use them as another tool in my arsenal and if they work, then I will be fishing them alot. I have been wanting a bigger frog for a long time now, and it looks like I finally have one.

To those that are saying that the name of a frog wont encourage kids to pick up drugs, your right, the name its self probably wont. But you get someone as big as Ish in this sport behind the names and kids will think "He does this stuff, and he made it big, so I can too" Those exact words or thoughts might not come to their mind, but it probably will be something similar to it. I know when I watched Ish say the names on the Tackle Warehouse coverage at ICAST I completely thought he atleast smoked from it, untill Ricky came in here and made things clear. Younger kids are easily influenced by people they look up to, and if they look up to Ish, and see these names and him endorsing them, chances are they just might pick it up. Im not saying that everykid out there that looks up to him will, and I hope that all kids that are into fishing take the same view on drugs as I took and take and a kid and as a young adult.

I have never done any kind of illegal drugs, or abused perscription drugs in my life. I contribute that to fishing. When friends would ask why, I would say I can spend 20$ on pot for a few hours of fun, or I can take that same 20$ buy a lucky craft, and if I dont loose it, I can have fun for MONTHS. Not only did I have that thought about it, but I was and am so caught up in fishing that just about any spare money I had was gone and put into fishing related stuff, that I never even had the money to do it.

This is just my .02 cents on this subject.

JustinD · Post by **JustinD** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 2:15 pm

"He does this stuff, and he made it big, so I can too"

Didn't Clinton smoke...Oh I forgot he never inhaled.....and presonaly I'm more concerned about the sexual references than anything else....I mean I want my 3 daughters to be treated with respect and dignity and could care less if their significant others "Burn One Down" (as Ben Harpre says) as long as they are healthy, happy, and treated well.

Jason C. · Post by **Jason C.** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 2:26 pm

ha ha ha, good one Justin. I guess thats where our difference in opinion rests. The sexual references to me are TONS less concerning then the drug references. Either way you look at it I still find it humorus.

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