Religion – Greg and Marty – who else?

[Marty]

Not to long ago Greg made the statement on a post of “Gunsâ€

[Greg_Cornish]

[quote="Marty"]You were raised as a Methodist but I don’t think you go to Church anymore and you don’t want the word “Godâ€

[Greg_Cornish]

Damn, I sure killed that thread Marty. Here's my niece's husband, he's more entertaining.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QQ6xOra ... re=related

[Marty]

Good reply Greg and no you did not kill this thread, I just have “honey do listâ€

[Greg_Cornish]

Not so fast, we aren't done here.

Why wouldn't God use A big bang to create the universe? Do you believe Dinosaurs roamed the earth? Do you believe Earth is Billions of years old? Do you believe in evolution? Do you believe Man evolved from lessor primates?

I believe all of the above, and it doesn't exclude there can still be a god to me.

Did I say, "One nation under God," was a prayer? I don't recall that. I recall saying, "I don't think God cares, therefore I don't care." If you want it on there, put it one there, let the majority rule. If you want to say it, say it. I couldn't care less. I don't feel it will change my life.

[Marty]

Not so fast, we aren't done here.

Why wouldn't God use A big bang to create the universe? Do you believe Dinosaurs roamed the earth? Do you believe Earth is Billions of years old? Do you believe in evolution? Do you believe Man evolved from lessor primates?

I believe all of the above, and it doesn't exclude there can still be a god to me.

Did I say, "One nation under God," was a prayer? I don't recall that. I recall saying, "I don't think God cares, therefore I don't care." If you want it on there, put it one there, let the majority rule. If you want to say it, say it. I couldn't care less. I don't feel it will change my life.

Ok, let bring in an other arguments, the cosmological argument. The cosmological argument states that every effect must have a cause. This universe and everything in it is an effect. There must be something that caused everything to come into existence. Ultimately, there must be something “un-causedâ€

[Marty]

Take the structure of the Atom

Atoms are basic building block of matter, and cannot be chemically subdivided by ordinary means. Atoms are composed of three type of particles: Protons, neutrons, and electron. The Protons have a positive (+) charge, Neutrons have no charge – they are neutral, and Electrons have a negative charge (-).

As we know a positive charge will repel a negative charge, so tell me what holds the Atom together – I say it is God.

[Marty]

When we split the Atom Robert Oppenheimer stated “Now I am become Deathâ€

[Marty]

OK honey (talking to the wife) I’m coming and will get off the computer – Greg I will check your replies tonight!

[Greg_Cornish]

Things have occurred in our universe that has no possible explanation other than God.[/b][/color]

Well people used to believe the world was flat. Just because there are things we can't explain doesn't mean we won't explain them some day. God holds the atom together?

Well at least you aren't like my father and my Republican bother who do not believe Dinosaurs once roamed the earth and that the Earth is 4000 or less years old and don't won't to hear about anything scientific they can't explain in the bible. He also belioeves Al Gore caused global warming

[Marty]

Well people used to believe the world was flat. Just because there are things we can't explain doesn't mean we won't explain them some day. God holds the atom together?

That is what the Liberals say when someone doubts global warming they call them flat liners or believers but they can’t explain the “Ontological Argumentâ€

[Greg_Cornish]

Yes the atom is held together by something that is all powerful and I’m calling it God but you or Liberals can’t prove it different. I will take anything scientific as the Liberals are so fond of saying. [/color

Ok what is next Homosexuality or Abortion?[/b]

You are arguing a point I know nothing about. I've never studied the structure of an atom, nor do I have the time. In fact I really don't know why you brought it up. If you want to think God is the thing that holds atoms together, go worship it by all means.

You can even put, "God Holds Atoms Together," on coins, I don't care.

As far as the next topic, take your pick, but I'm not an expert on either topic as I'm not a homosexual or a woman so I can't speak for them. I only have opinions and opinions are like rectums - everyone has one.

[Marty]

I was just trying to be bi-partisnism Greg! I tried to show common goals with you and I even said I agree with you in a lot of your thinking. But as you stated “if there’s a hint of, I agree with that, concerning the other party, you become afraid and feel you are falling into a trap and reject it out of handâ€

[Greg_Cornish]

[quote="Marty"]I was just trying to be bi-partisnism Greg! I tried to show common goals with you and I even said I agree with you in a lot of your thinking. But as you stated “if there’s a hint of, I agree with that, concerning the other party, you become afraid and feel you are falling into a trap and reject it out of handâ€

[Marty]

No Greg my intention was never to change what you think or how you think about it – my intention was to show you that you can’t be bipartisan no matter what the subject was. You said it yourself “That's trying to convince me to believe what you want me to believe.â€

[Greg_Cornish]

[quote="Marty"]No Greg my intention was never to change what you think or how you think about it – my intention was to show you that you can’t be bipartisan no matter what the subject was. You said it yourself “That's trying to convince me to believe what you want me to believe.â€

[Jeff C.]

Take the structure of the Atom

As we know a positive charge will repel a negative charge, so tell me what holds the Atom together – I say it is God.

LOL Marty! You had better check your chemistry facts again because you've got it all wrong. Why are you conservatives always wrong when it comes to anything scientific, whether it be global warming, stem cells, or Terry Schaevo? And you say you got a B in chemistry but deserved an A? LMAO Marty.

I was showing anyone reading these posts a Liberal will argue and disagree with out knowing the subject which you admitted.

Hah! Kind of like people arguing against global warming without even knowing the basic principles of chemistry they should have learned in the sixth grade.

[Marty]

Hay Jeff, I would have though you would have been on here before this – but true to the Liberal point you start off condescending and never answer anything.

OK mister smart Liberal answer this two questions I asked Greg.

1. Atoms are basic building block of matter, and cannot be chemically subdivided by ordinary means. Atoms are composed of three type of particles: Protons, neutrons, and electron. The Protons have a positive (+) charge, Neutrons have no charge – they are neutral, and Electrons have a negative charge (-).

As we know a positive charge will repel a negative charge, so tell me what holds the Atom together?
2. Where did the original hydrogen come from to start the process of “The Big Bangâ€

[Dan McKenzie]

check his facts, taken directly from other web sites, he's a true "cut and paste" artist.

he started off saying he wanted to find common ground and then somewhere in between he changed his mind and said;

[quote]No Greg my intention was never to change what you think or how you think about it – my intention was to show you that you can’t be bipartisan no matter what the subject was. You said it yourself “That's trying to convince me to believe what you want me to believe.â€

[Jeff C.]

[quote="Marty"]Hay Jeff, I would have though you would have been on here before this – but true to the Liberal point you start off condescending and never answer anything.

OK mister smart Liberal answer this two questions I asked Greg.

1. Atoms are basic building block of matter, and cannot be chemically subdivided by ordinary means. Atoms are composed of three type of particles: Protons, neutrons, and electron. The Protons have a positive (+) charge, Neutrons have no charge – they are neutral, and Electrons have a negative charge (-).

As we know a positive charge will repel a negative charge, so tell me what holds the Atom together?
2. Where did the original hydrogen come from to start the process of “The Big Bangâ€

[Greg_Cornish]

Perfect example of why dogmatic thinking prevents bi-partisnism. You feel that there are zero common goals between the two parties. If there's a hint of, "I agree with that" concerning the other party, you become afraid and feel you are falling into a trap and reject it out of hand. Or... as what happened here divert the thread and start name calling and throwing innuendos.
You refuse to focus on common goals and feel the need to fight and reject all the time.

LOL we arrived at Atomic structure in a religious argument and I don't know my facts. Hilarious stuff.

[Marty]

Greg, let me take my lunch to answer you.

The reason I mention the atom was in answering you on why the Big Bang did not created the world and you could not answer where the original hydrogen come from to start the whole process. Then I inputted (at least I meant to point out) just like you don’t know why an atom is held together. I prefix both with the statement “Things have occurred in our universe that has no possible explanation other than God.â€

[Greg_Cornish]

[quote="Marty"]I prefix both with the statement “Things have occurred in our universe that has no possible explanation other than God.â€

[Greg_Cornish]

I think during my time on the political boards I have figured out how to explain the difference between Conservatives, Liberals and Independents.

Conservatives - Break Everything down to black and white.

Liberals - See everything in shades of gray.

Independents - See everything in black and white, shades of gray and in color. Unfortunately their common sense soft spoken candidates draw little attention.

[Jeff C.]

Okay Marty, I give up. I was hoping your natural curiosity would lead you figure out the obvious flaw to your posting but I see it's a lost cause.

So... regarding your first question...

Atoms are basic building block of matter, and cannot be chemically subdivided by ordinary means. Atoms are composed of three type of particles: Protons, neutrons, and electron. The Protons have a positive (+) charge, Neutrons have no charge – they are neutral, and Electrons have a negative charge (-).

As we know a positive charge will repel a negative charge, so tell me what holds the Atom together?

I would not initially answer your question because it's not valid. It's wrong on two counts. First of all, you say that atoms "cannot be chemically subdivided by ordinary means", then you go on to say that atoms are composed of protons, neutrons, and electrons. If you define the atom as composed of those three particles (which I believe to be true), then you are wrong to say that they cannot be subdivided by "ordinary means". In fact, it happens all the time. If you take the compound NaCl (sodium chloride, i.e., table salt) and dissolve it into water, the two atoms dissociate into ions where the Cl atom takes an electron from the Na atom. By your definition these atoms are being subdivided.

Now I'll be the first to admit that this could be considered just an issue of semantics, however, the other problem makes the entire question invalid and this was what I was getting at in suggesting that your chemistry knowledge is highly suspect. Opposite charges do not REPEL, opposite charges ATTRACT, making the entire foundation of your question flawed. I'm sorry if this is taken as condescension, but your error is a great example of how conservatives attempt to distort science for their own political gain. Whether the topic is global warming, or stem cells, or evolution, conservatives attempt to mislead a gullible public by presenting false information (either unknowingly in this case or deliberately in others) and unfortunately certain segments of the public won't have the background to recognize that the information is false.

The irony of the situation is that becoming educated on scientific issues generally leads one to reject conservative views on those same issues. This explains why Conservatives are almost always misinformed or lying when they try to take a political stance on a scientific issue. A great example is the science of climate change, where doubters generally fall into two camps, 1. people who don't have the ability or motivation to become familiar with the scientific literature on the topic, or 2. people who have a vested interest in denying its existence.

Now, to your second question:

Where did the original hydrogen come from to start the process of “The Big Bangâ€

[Greg_Cornish]

Owned, that explains the "B"

[Jeff C.]

What's wrong Marty? Did you decide to take your football and go home?

[Marty]

Darn Jeff you got me dead to rights – I screw the pooch and I should have looked up some of what I was writing. I was trying to make it real simple for Greg - Should have not relied on my memory. Now you make me go through some old boxes of books looking up some old papers.

You are correct two positive charges do repel, while a positive and negative attract. I mess that up! But my point is still valid.

I could not find my element chart but when you have an element that has atoms of the same charge (positive or negative) what holds the Atom together. Go and ask your chemistry professor!

Now before I answer your question, I have to tell you I’m the least (meaning being good and holy) of humans to situate myself to talk for God.

Who was the creator of God?

No one – he has always been!

Now answer my question - Do you believe in God?

What's wrong Marty? Did you decide to take your football and go home?

You had fun saying that - just make sure that football does not go where the sun don’t shine!

[Marty]

Owned, that explains the "B"

[Jeff C.]

I could not find my element chart but when you have an element that has atoms of the same charge (positive or negative) what holds the Atom together. Go and ask your chemistry professor!!

You'll have to be more specific on that. Perhaps you are referring to covalent bonds, where atoms combine by sharing electrons. If so, I believe the mechanism for this has been fully described without having to resort to spiritual explanation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covalent

Who was the creator of God?

No one – he has always been!

What? So you're saying something can exist without a creator? Interesting. Oh well, I guess it leads into your second question.

Where did the original hydrogen come from to start the process of “The Big Bangâ€

[Marty]

Liberal answer! So by you saying that the original hydrogen was always there you are admitting that God was original there or how else could it happen.

Now come on Jeff answer the question is there a God or not?

[getalife]

Sorry Marty, I have to go with Jeff C. on this one.

[Vince E]

The Tao that is true can not be told.