SENKO ORINGS WHY ?

[Phil]

Can anyone tell me why you use a O-ring on a senko wacky rig ?

Jigs

[Jason Wood]

If you just wacky rig the senko through the plastic, the senko will fly off into the drink when you set the hook on a fish, thus, new $1.50 senko next cast...

Put on an o-ring, wacky rig it through the o-ring and not the plastic, set the hook and the senko will usually slide up the line on the o-ring and not fly off... Take the fish off, slide the senko back down and cast again...

Saves quite a bit of money!!!

[JWittmayer]

With the o-ring around the senko, you slide the hook between the o-ring and the senko instead of putting the the hook through the senko. This usually causes the bait to ride up the line when the hook is set. You save A TON of senkos this way. I've caught 10 fish on one senko with the o-ring. Your lucky to catch 2 the old way.

I'm sure Gary Yamamoto isn't a fan of the o-ring.

[Phil]

$ 1.50 per Senko.........WOW I don't know where you buy Senko's but at sell price pkg of 10 $ 6.85 that is $ .69 per senko I tihnk...and thats even for the laminate's ...........oh yeah plus tax... $ 7.35 per pk of 10 $ .73 per senko .......guess i best start stocking some Orings..

Thanks

JIGS

[GW]

What size O rings are you using??

[JWittmayer]

Check out this link:

www.o-wackytool.com

They sell them at The Hook

[Wild Bill]

GW,
For 4 and 5 inch senkos I use a Size #10 o-ring.

[RipnRog]

I for one do not like the O-Ring at all. The 1st reason is that I do not like the hook being sidways in the bait the hook up ration is not as good. Try this take a tooth pick and break it just long enough to cover the egg sack portion of the senko. Then insert it into the egg sack. Now take your hook and put it into the bait wacky style of course and make sure you have the tooth pick on the inside of the hook. This will keep the bait on the hook and when you set the hook you will place the hook in the roof of the fishes mouth 99% of the time.

Rodger

[JWittmayer]

If you are doing it like this you should have no problem with hooksets:



I use about the same size hook, no weedgard and almost 100% hookup.

[Otay Michael]

RipnRog, great idea, thanks.

[froteur]

I for one do not like the O-Ring at all. The 1st reason is that I do not like the hook being sidways in the bait the hook up ration is not as good. Try this take a tooth pick and break it just long enough to cover the egg sack portion of the senko. Then insert it into the egg sack. Now take your hook and put it into the bait wacky style of course and make sure you have the tooth pick on the inside of the hook. This will keep the bait on the hook and when you set the hook you will place the hook in the roof of the fishes mouth 99% of the time.

Rodger

rodger,

i just wanted to be clear on this. after you put the hook thorugh the bait (wacky style) - the toothpick will be "inside" the shank of the hook (inside of the bend). is that right?

thanks.

-perry-

[DeltaDan]

.......Boy Howdy do I feel even more stupid now ........





I bought some of those rings from The Hook -- Tried to install them on a 5/0 hook and quickly figured out that there was no way they would work..... I then tried them on a 2/0 hook and I was able to get "acouple of them" -- While leaving more than enoufgh blood DNA to get O.J Simpson more than convicted durring the process.....

I did get one Senko wacky rigged on Gene's rings on... But it later cut the Senko in half. Back to the drawing board I went..



I scrapped those bands -- Liberated a piece of tubing from a friend ..... and started making my own "looser bands" (more stetchty) to rig a Senko Wacky...

I now for the first time find out that this it the correct way-







These are how I have been doing it........








Gotta say though-- I have never been fortunate get a bass on a T-Rigged -- or Wacky Rigged Senko....... I did have a bite on one backin Febuary and missed it under a dock once. -- But I am mostly trying to learn fishing by jigs or creatures.. Can't have two poles in the water at the same time.


The things you can learn on WB ~!

[Duckman]

Go to a feed store and buy the bands to braid the mane for a horse. You can get like 1500 for a couple bucks.

[Brian]

Dan, I sent you a P.M.

[froteur]

.......Boy Howdy do I feel even more stupid now ........





I bought some of those rings from The Hook -- Tried to install them on a 5/0 hook and quickly figured out that there was no way they would work..... I then tried them on a 2/0 hook and I was able to get "acouple of them" -- While leaving more than enoufgh blood DNA to get O.J Simpson more than convicted durring the process.....

I did get one Senko wacky rigged on Gene's rings on... But it later cut the Senko in half. Back to the drawing board I went..



I scrapped those bands -- Liberated a piece of tubing from a friend ..... and started making my own "looser bands" (more stetchty) to rig a Senko Wacky...

I now for the first time find out that this it the correct way-







These are how I have been doing it........








Gotta say though-- I have never been fortunate get a bass on a T-Rigged -- or Wacky Rigged Senko....... I did have a bite on one backin Febuary and missed it under a dock once. -- But I am mostly trying to learn fishing by jigs or creatures.. Can't have two poles in the water at the same time.


The things you can learn on WB ~!

have you played with this rig much? does the bait slide up off of the hook and onto the line? if not, is there enough gap on that hook to hook the fish without the bait getting in the way? it looks linteresting.

-perry-

[mark poulson]

Perry,
I use the O ring with a #4 Owner circle hook. Hookups are 90%. Wait to feel pressure, then reel and sweep. My son caught his first three bass in two hours using this rig.

[DeltaDan]

have you played with this rig much? does the bait slide up off of the hook and onto the line? if not, is there enough gap on that hook to hook the fish without the bait getting in the way? it looks linteresting.

-perry-

Perry- I have never as of yet caught a fish on a Senko ...

Most likely it is operator error. --But in rigging them in what "I thought" was Wacky....... They do not move. I moved it to the back of the hook instead of the bottom -- so that the hook set/placement is the same as say a Jig or spinnerbait....

The angle it sinks down- and setting a hook would be more foreward and not a brain kill to any fish possibly if it was on the bottom belly of the hook.


But again- WTH do I know?

The tubing I imagine would be around $1 a foot or less possibly.





....... And to think that for all this time -- this was how Everyone Wacky rigged a Senko......

[fishdist]

This is a very elegant rig but I suspect the rigidity of the hook mounting may lead to some problems. Everybody can set up a very simple solution to this (wacky Senko o-ring) rigging using a tool that I introduced to the west coast called the Wacky Rig'r, which is a tool that allows the proper size o-ring to be easily mounted on a Senko. Preferred hook is one of the Falcons ("K wacky") with weedguard. These come unweighted, and weighted with 1/32, 1/16, or 3/32 oz. Place the hook between the Senko and the o-ring and close the weedguard, that's all there is to it. When fishing these, watch for line hops and line swims, you will often not feel a bite. Hookup ratio is very good. Most local tackle retailers carry these items and the cost is reasonable. Rigging tool comes with 10 each large and small o-rings which will handle any Senko from 4" to 6". Replacement o-rings available in 10 packs and 100 packs. I distribute them so contact your local shop, not me, they have them or can get them.

Fishdist

[froteur]

Perry,
I use the O ring with a #4 Owner circle hook. Hookups are 90%. Wait to feel pressure, then reel and sweep. My son caught his first three bass in two hours using this rig.

hi mark, thanks for the input. i've been using both electrical shrink tubing and o-rings along with (normally) gammy finesse wide gap hooks - weedless and non-weedless. i fish a lot of 7 "senkos so i've got them up to 4/0 in "regular" and 3/0 in weedless.

i was just kinda wondering how rodgers set-up works. sounded interesting.

-perry-

[biteme]

I just started the wacky thing. I dont use the rings. Ive been riggin them weedless. I just played with it for a while and figured a way out.

[mark poulson]

The thing I like most about the 0 ring/circle hook setup is that the entire hook is exposed.
The thing I like least about it is that I don't get to swing. That's a big part of the fun of bass fishing for me, setting the hook and feeling the fish slam back at me.
As Keenan Wynn said in Dr. Stranglove, "What are you, some kind of a prevert?". I guess I am.

[RipnRog]

Yes you are correct it will be inside the bend. Make sure that he toothpick is in the center of the bait as well.

[RipnRog]

This has been a problem for me. Please keep in mind I mostly fish folsom lake and fish for a lot of spotted bass. I use mostly a 5 inch senko sometimes a 7. But if a 2 pound spot graps the 5 inch senko then in the fishs mouth the bait folds and a lot of times this will cause the hook to not be completly exposed if you are using the o-ring. With the hook placed in the bait even if the bait folds in the fishes mouth the hook is still exposed and therefore I get a better hook up ratio. I dont sweep set either I fish this on 14 pound fluorocarbon and a 7 foot bait caster with a Owner Mosquito hook and swing on em. This hook is thicker then a lot of the other hooks and can with stand a good hook set. Oh and 90% of the time the fish is hooked in the roof of its mouth. Now if I could just get a deal on those darn senko's this is one expensive pattern I am on...

Hey it works for me.

[froteur]

The thing I like most about the 0 ring/circle hook setup is that the entire hook is exposed.
The thing I like least about it is that I don't get to swing. That's a big part of the fun of bass fishing for me, setting the hook and feeling the fish slam back at me.
As Keenan Wynn said in Dr. Stranglove, "What are you, some kind of a prevert?". I guess I am.

then i am also a pervert.

when i use the shrink tubes (actually my 15 year old son does all of the work ) -- we cut them about 1/8" wide --- seems like they tend to cut the senko less (the o-rings sometimes cut the senko when i have a fish on). so our method is very similar to yours. the hook is only a little more covered up than withyour method. the senko still slides up the line when you have a fish one. i guess the main difference is the circle hook. do you know how similar/dissimilar the circle hooks are to the finesse hooks?

thanks.

-perry-

[OREGON SMALLIES]

Got some small rubber bands they put on kids braces last time at the dentist. Use them over a spinning reel handle and up to the rod to hold a drop shot weight in place stops banging around when running works great. Might work on the wacky too haven't tried it yet, they come in different sizes.

[froteur]

Yes you are correct it will be inside the bend. Make sure that he toothpick is in the center of the bait as well.

thanks

[mark poulson]

Perry,
If you go to the Tacklewarehouse website through the banner at the top of this page and put circle hooks in the search box, you should be able to see better than I can explain.
But here goes.
The point on a drop shot hook points back to the line tie, or is more open. A circle hook has the very tip of the hook point bent back toward the shaft of the hook at the very tip.
The idea is that, when the fish eats the bait, even if they swallow it, the point is concealed, so they don't get deep or gut hooked. That can happen a lot with Yamamoto baits, since the fish seem to eat them. But when you reel down you pull the hook and bait back up out of their gut or throat, and, as the hook pulls past the corner of the mouth, it catches.
This assumes that the fish is moving away from you at the time. I do line watch, and, if the fish is moving toward me, I wait until it's almost under the boat to reel set. You need the fish to have some kind of angle away from you. Most of the time, the fish eat the senko and swim away, and kind of set the hook themselves. I'll feel a couple of ticks, and then reel down.
I think they have a tendency, when they feel pressure, to swim away from it, and that helps them get hooked.
I know the circle hook came from long liners, who rely on it to hook the fish "automatically".