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Back in 1993 I did work in the Delta and would see an occasional sea lion. Now, I'm not on the Delta that much but I see them everywhere I go.

After talking to many fisherman about how they see many sea lions eating a variety of fish, I was thinking if the Delta fishing guides and weekend fisherman started taking pictures of sea lions eating and playing with the large Striper, Salmon, Catfish, Steelhead and Largemouth Bass that they kill, maybe we could start sending these pictures to Newspapers, News stations, DFG, Fish and Wildlife service, Congressman etc. and make everyone aware how detrimental these sea lions are to our California Delta Fisheries.

Just a thought, Rod
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Hmm...I don't understand why people can't just leave shi7 alone?

Let's shoot all the birds who frequent the Delta and lakes too for transporting mussels.

If you don't like sea lions, or what they do, don't go to the Delta to fish.

You kinda sound like the people trying to stop the stocking of trout for some fuqing frog.

"Please stop these sea lions from eating bass. I can't catch any because of these seaaaaa lionssss."
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Can you say Remington 870????
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People kill more fish than sea lions ever have or will. Poaching, dams, water diversions, pollution, fishing pressure, etc etc etc etc all take their toll. Everything co-existed just fine before populations exploded, thus having a detrimental effect on the environment. Rather than eradicate sea lions (which were here first), I'd like to see all the bay area party boats eradicated. They strip the bay of thousands of Stripers every year, many of those being big female spawners.

Disclaimer - I'm not a hippy, liberal, nor do I belong to PETA 8)

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Let's just be clear...the sea lions are running up the delta because we've nearly annihilated the central CA salmon fishery and our nearshore marine fisheries. Just like any other predator on the planet, they follow the food, and food now = striper up the river.

It is an inevitability at least for now, it might be a problem that will solve itself with the cycles in fish populations, but complaining about it ain't gonna do you any good, as much as we'd all hope it would :evil:
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mm wrote:Can you say Remington 870????
And or seal bombs like they use in the ocean.
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Paul W wrote: Everything co-existed just fine before populations exploded, thus having a detrimental effect on the environment.

Yhea Right ........ Tell that to our CALIFORNIA Deer populations as well with no legal controls of the growing Mountain Lion population as well. :roll:

Nature needs to be kept in check for control from PREDATORS that have lived Unchecked for "ages" already.

Paul -- You say you are not a liberal ..... Just remember that Liberalism is a Mental Disorder -- and you just not may fully understand everything in life, nature, California and the Political Chit that has Forked everything up as we know it currently ............. Especially when the Sea Lion's look so "cute" to you at your Sea World in FLORIDA ! :idea:

Is Georgia and the Carolina's shipping/selling THEIR water to you for a profit with BLATANT disreguard of Natural Resources/Species ect ...

There have been three BassTurd POS's crowding the dock in Martinez already working the wiers togther on the outgoing tide for what little they can catch currently the last 4 days I have been watched them. THe incoming tide will be even more productive for them to eat everything with potential spawners off. :roll:

But rest assured Paul -- They will score BIGTIME when the water warms up allitle more --- FOR THE SPRING SPAWNERS OF STRIPERS AND SALMON. :evil:


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You guys are HIGH if you think the Sea Lions are not hurting the Largemouth population in the Delta. You used to see maybe 1 or 2 a year up past Pittsburg, not you see 10 a day! And I have seen them go in a area and eat one after another. Last year they were going into spawning flats and cleaning house. They figures out spawning bass are an easy meal. Between them and all of the meat hunters, we have seen the best days from the Delta.........
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Rod Brown wrote:Back in 1993 I did work in the Delta and would see an occasional sea lion. Now, I'm not on the Delta that much but I see them everywhere I go.

After talking to many fisherman about how they see many sea lions eating a variety of fish, I was thinking if the Delta fishing guides and weekend fisherman started taking pictures of sea lions eating and playing with the large Striper, Salmon, Catfish, Steelhead and Largemouth Bass that they kill, maybe we could start sending these pictures to Newspapers, News stations, DFG, Fish and Wildlife service, Congressman etc. and make everyone aware how detrimental these sea lions are to our California Delta Fisheries.

Just a thought, Rod
Not sure what you are saying here Rod. I think maybe we should send a picture of a human to those folks instead to make everybody aware of how detrimental humans are to our CA Delta Fisheries (and sea lion populations for that matter). Would you prefer the only two creatures left standing in this world were humans and bass?
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I am EXTREMELY high, and am halucinating limits daily! I'm with Mike, the Sea Lions have destroyed the River's black bass fishery, it's dead, might as well stay home! HAR! HAR! HAR!

PS. Reports of 25-30 mph winds today, I'm outa here, it's HAMMER TIME!
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I don't think Rod was saying to Kill all the sea lions but to control the amount of them. They can be relocated without harm.
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i think what rod is trying to say is we can vilify the sea lions the way these animal, and water groups have vilified rainbows and stripers.
if it helps im all for it.
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Just take all those imagrants that fish from thier little styrafoam boats and give them citizenship. Not America but Canadian. Convince them they are native Aboriginal Eskimos and not let them fish for bluegills and stripers. In exchange give them a subsistance quoata on California Sea Lions. See how easy that was. :roll: :roll:
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It's cheaper and SAFER to just Kill them...KerrrrPoooooW
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Or they can take them to Sea World parks and use them to feed the Killer Whales so they could stop wasteing trainers.
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Guys sorry to tell you this, but the only way to get rid of them is to thin the heard. Up here in Oregon the game department has tried many ways to get the sea lions to leave from below the dam on the Columbia River and the Falls on the Willamette River. None of the things they did worked, when relocated they just came back. They have resorted to eating sturgeon up here or just following boats and stealing the salmon that get hooked. The game department actually was going to do some selective harvest of the bad animals last year but some bleeding hearts put a stop to it. These animals are well over a 100 miles inland from the ocean. It's got so bad that there have been a few killed illegally. They have been in both fish ladders eating away at times. They need to come off the the protected list or maybe we could import a few Great whites or perhaps a Killer whale or two to thin the herd some. BTw does anybody else see those great white attacks on the surface and think of a giant top water bait! Those things hit sea lions and seals like a bass hits a top water bait!
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Greg H wrote:Guys sorry to tell you this, but the only way to get rid of them is to thin the heard. Up here in Oregon the game department has tried many ways to get the sea lions to leave from below the dam on the Columbia River and the Falls on the Willamette River. None of the things they did worked, when relocated they just came back. They have resorted to eating sturgeon up here or just following boats and stealing the salmon that get hooked. The game department actually was going to do some selective harvest of the bad animals last year but some bleeding hearts put a stop to it. These animals are well over a 100 miles inland from the ocean. It's got so bad that there have been a few killed illegally. They have been in both fish ladders eating away at times. They need to come off the the protected list or maybe we could import a few Great whites or perhaps a Killer whale or two to thin the herd some. BTw does anybody else see those great white attacks on the surface and think of a giant top water bait! Those things hit sea lions and seals like a bass hits a top water bait!

They dont make Spooks that big :(
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Yhea Right ........ Tell that to our CALIFORNIA Deer populations as well with no legal controls of the growing Mountain Lion population as well. :roll:
Mountain lions are killing all the deer? :lol: I lived in CA for 22 years...I have never even seen a mountain lion in the wild. How many deer per year do cars and hunters kill combine? Hey, we all gotta drive and I have nothing against hunting...just making a comparison.
Nature needs to be kept in check for control from PREDATORS that have lived Unchecked for "ages" already.


Nature needs to be kept in check? Is that why there were so many deer, bears, etc in the state a few hundred years ago before human populations exploded?
Paul -- You say you are not a liberal ..... Just remember that Liberalism is a Mental Disorder -- and you just not may fully understand everything in life, nature, California and the Political Chit that has Forked everything up as we know it currently ............. Especially when the Sea Lion's look so "cute" to you at your Sea World in FLORIDA ! :idea:
Thanks for saying I have a mental disorder. As I said before, I lived in CA most of my life and visit often....which is why I've been on here since the late 1990's. I agree, I do come off as a liberal hippy but I'm FAR from it. I'm just trying to say that people need to start blaming themselves for things. Animals have to change their habits, species decline, etc usually because of us! Sealions are definitely "cute", but like you I hate seeing them invade a fishing spot. I used to see them 10 miles up the Russian River during the Shad run. I'd love to see them go away or be moved, just not killed like some imply.
Is Georgia and the Carolina's shipping/selling THEIR water to you for a profit with BLATANT disreguard of Natural Resources/Species ect ...
No, they don't, and its sad that's happening back there.
There have been three BassTurd POS's crowding the dock in Martinez already working the wiers togther on the outgoing tide for what little they can catch currently the last 4 days I have been watched them. THe incoming tide will be even more productive for them to eat everything with potential spawners off. :roll:
Who built the weirs? 8) :roll:
But rest assured Paul -- They will score BIGTIME when the water warms up allitle more --- FOR THE SPRING SPAWNERS OF STRIPERS AND SALMON. :evil:
I know, and that is sad.

Do you own a pair of Alligator/Croccodile boots as well ? .....Cause we can not shoot those here in California -- Like you can there legally !! :idea:
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Sorry to throw a monkey wrench in all your little theories, but before we, as europeans, asians and all the other migrants came here to overharvest, dump sewage and chemicals, introduce invasive species (black bass, stripers), there was a natural system of checks and balances.
Our streams were thick with native salmon. Grizzly bear and elk were plentiful clear down to mexico, but due to our own short sightedness, greed and, well, stupidity, our oceans are so out of balance that all the sea lion's natural food populations (salmon, sardine, anchovie) have crashed, forcing them inland to seek other sources of food.
We know for fact that DFG has to dump salmon fingerlings as far downstream as possible to help avoid the gauntlet of schools of bass and stripers that can decimate a school of salmon in short order.
I think it's selfish and ignorant to target a native animal that's evolved here over millions of years to protect an invasive species that's done irreparable damage to our ecosystem. People don't see the big picture beyond the bow of their boat.
No, I'm not a treehugger. I've been fishing bass tournaments for many years. It's my passion. I have a boat with thousands of dollars worth of gear in it and there's nothing I'd rather do than catch big bass. I'm even pretty good at catching big stripers.
But I see reality the way it really is, beyond the bow of my boat and my own special interests.
As for the Sealions on the Columbia, we've overharvested salmon up there also and contsructed a concrete barrier for them to corral what's left. you can't blame the animals, they're doing what they must to survive. It's a situation we've all created.
Mountain lions are killing all the deer? I lived in CA for 22 years...I have never even seen a mountain lion in the wild. How many deer per year do cars and hunters kill combine? Hey, we all gotta drive and I have nothing against hunting...just making a comparison.
I've been living in CA for 51 years, deer hunted every year since I was 16 and I STILL have not seen a Mountain Lion.

That's all.
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davet. wrote:Sorry to throw a monkey wrench in all your little theories, but before we, as europeans, asians and all the other migrants came here to overharvest, dump sewage and chemicals, introduce invasive species (black bass, stripers), there was a natural system of checks and balances.
Our streams were thick with native salmon. Grizzly bear and elk were plentiful clear down to mexico, but due to our own short sightedness, greed and, well, stupidity, our oceans are so out of balance that all the sea lion's natural food populations (salmon, sardine, anchovie) have crashed, forcing them inland to seek other sources of food.
We know for fact that DFG has to dump salmon fingerlings as far downstream as possible to help avoid the gauntlet of schools of bass and stripers that can decimate a school of salmon in short order.
I think it's selfish and ignorant to target a native animal that's evolved here over millions of years to protect an invasive species that's done irreparable damage to our ecosystem. People don't see the big picture beyond the bow of their boat.
No, I'm not a treehugger. I've been fishing bass tournaments for many years. It's my passion. I have a boat with thousands of dollars worth of gear in it and there's nothing I'd rather do than catch big bass. I'm even pretty good at catching big stripers.
But I see reality the way it really is, beyond the bow of my boat and my own special interests.
As for the Sealions on the Columbia, we've overharvested salmon up there also and contructed a natural barrier for them to corral what's left. you can't blame the animals, they're doing what they must to survive. It's a situation we've all created.

That's all.
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Hate to say it but........davet is right.........
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But not Greg, he is still a TREE HUGGER :twisted:
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I would like to take things back further and complain about all the sabertooth cat killing of our giant ground sloth and wierd little tiny horses many thousands of years ago. If we human were around, we could have stopped the slaughter and we would still have 10' tall ground sloth that we could domesticate and have a pets.

Sorry, just making ridiculous noise.
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Can we import some Eskimos to the Delta and coast to keep the Sea Lion/Seal population from exploding?
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I definitely agree with DaveT....well said!
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Will sea lions attack and bite people (kids) if they are swimming in the water?
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Will sea lions attack and bite people (kids) if they are swimming in the water?
Well, they are looking for an alternate food source and I hear that children are very high in protein and fat content.....and are probably quite delicious.
Actually I've found them to be quite curious and friendly.
Here's some photos of me being attacked by a Sealion at the coast. Notice of how skinny and malnourished it looks:

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Can we import some Eskimos to the Delta and coast to keep the Sea Lion/Seal population from exploding?
Ok, another short sighted solution. What happens when the Seal Lion population becomes depleted? The Eskimos will come farther inland looking for alternate food sources, diggin through people's garbage, breaking into cars, cabins and homes when they smell food.
We'll have to start trapping and darting them for relocation and the ones that keep coming back will have to be put down.
All I'm saying is think ahead a little.
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careyj1 wrote:Will sea lions attack and bite people (kids) if they are swimming in the water?
I had a good friend trolling a Rebel in the delta for stripers and had a Sea Lion hook on to that thing. He got all excited when his drag started screaming and thought he hooked a huge striper, then a few hundred pound sea lion came out of the water, and the line was then cut :lol: He was not going to try and winch that thing in to find out what it would do, They have some pretty big teeth from what I hear.
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davet. wrote:
Will sea lions attack and bite people (kids) if they are swimming in the water?
Well, they are looking for an alternate food source and I hear that children are very high in protein and fat content.....and are probably quite delicious.
Actually I've found them to be quite curious and friendly.
Here's some photos of me being attacked by a Sealion at the coast. Notice of how skinny and malnourished it looks:

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That is just a baby. Try to get that close to a full grown sea lion and see how cute and friendly they are.
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Spookin'Em43 wrote:
careyj1 wrote:Will sea lions attack and bite people (kids) if they are swimming in the water?
I had a good friend trolling a Rebel in the delta for stripers and had a Sea Lion hook on to that thing. He got all excited when his drag started screaming and thought he hooked a huge striper, then a few hundred pound sea lion came out of the water, and the line was then cut :lol: He was not going to try and winch that thing in to find out what it would do, They have some pretty big teeth from what I hear.
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That is just a baby. Try to get that close to a full grown sea lion and see how cute and friendly they are.
I did. (No BS, I have photos)I had several adults eating out of my hand and an adult female that had some fishing line hanging out of her mouth. She obviously ate somebody's live bait and had a hook caught in her throat and I wanted to get close enough to see how stuck it was.
She ate out of my hand and I got hold of the line and gave it a slight tug. It was bad, that freaked her out and she spit up all the fish I gave her.
Apparently, it was swollen closed and she could'nt swallow properly.
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You are braver than me! I've seen too many angry ones to ever go near one. I live in Santa Cruz so I see tons of them.
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Davet first your post is excellent and well thought out. With that being said, feeding a wild seal by hand is insane. Once in Cabo I pulled up a bonito we had tied to a cleat as a Dorado attractant and a seal came up and grabbed it. It broke the rope and pulled the corner of the panga underwater. I thank god everyday that it missed my hand by a quarter inch. The skipper couldn't even talk the rest of the day (maybe a bad ohmen). These animals are powerful beyond believe and giving out the idea that they can be feed by hand is not the best idea.
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The sea lions are all bad on the Delta. Two summers ago, I hooked a small 1 lb. bass on a crank and had a sea lion take a bite out of the tail at the boat. It was a trip. One second I am looking at my bass about to swing it in and the next there is a huge 6-7 ft. black spot there at the boat. It dragged line for a second and let go. It bit the tail and the skin on the bottom of the tail was the only thing holding it i on. We we watched that POS eating a striper a little later on just thrashing and throwing it around. Makes me think that these lions equate our boats and an easy meal like they do to the boats out on the ocean.

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fishnhunt21 wrote:The sea lions are all bad on the Delta. Two summers ago, I hooked a small 1 lb. bass on a crank and had a sea lion take a bite out of the tail at the boat. It was a trip. One second I am looking at my bass about to swing it in and the next there is a huge 6-7 ft. black spot there at the boat. It dragged line for a second and let go. It bit the tail and the skin on the bottom of the tail was the only thing holding it i on. We we watched that POS eating a striper a little later on just thrashing and throwing it around. Makes me think that these lions equate our boats and an easy meal like they do to the boats out on the ocean.

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I'm sorry, Mike is right. I have live on the Delta my whole life, Never... as a kid did we see a (See lion!!) Let them keep putting in gates, and we will be Shark Fishing in Franks Track!! Do you know what I mean?
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the sea lion population at pier 39 in SF has gone down from a robust count of 1000 to just 60 this year...guess they tired of all the junk comin out of SF and movin to a more conservative area.....
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Brian wrote:But not Greg, he is still a TREE HUGGER :twisted:
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I wouldn't be hand feeding sea lions, you never know when it's sea lion mating season :shock:
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The sea lions I see on the delta are always gorging on those delta smelt.





Lol. That should get them off my water.
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Re: Sea Lion Population in the Delta

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Will you all Please stop getting your panties all twisted up over the perceived notion that the few sea lions that are munching on bass and other fish are some how going to destroy the bass fishing in the DELTA.

They have been around a lot longer than you and I and Nature has a way of straightening things out in her own way and time.

If just leave leave HER THE HELL ALONE :shock: 8)
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Re: Sea Lion Population in the Delta

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If you never seen a mountain lion while hunting deer in California, you are probably hunting in an area where they already cleaned out the local deer population. When I was a kid nobody I knew had ever seen one, now where we hunt several are spotted each year, we have actually had them walk down the road above the cabin during the night, (less than 25 yards) and found the tracks the next morning. There is a science to game mgt. it's to bad that the DFG cannot use this science.
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Re: Sea Lion Population in the Delta

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I grew up hunting Bobcat and Lion's with my Dad. We gave it up about 78 no more private land to hunt. With some good Hound's you might be suprised how many there are.

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Re: Sea Lion Population in the Delta

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As much as I don't like seeing sea lions eating bass, the only reason we see them in places they wouldn't naturally be is because of what we have done to their natural food source in the area's that they would prefer being. And I agree, the so called "meet hunters" kill more than the sea lions do, let's start eliminating them first :roll:
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