“KAMALLA ……URRRRR FIRED!!!!

[JVGondal]

Do you guy sit down when you Pee?
I’m just saying

[Kennortonjr]

Do you guy sit down when you Pee?
I’m just saying

Good one!

[jiggin4bass]

[drew]

What I mean by constitutionalist's is someone who is more incline to preserve the constitution, not interpret it, one who is pro-constitution. We are a constitutional republic, the constitution is responsible for our freedom. Blue states have much more restrictions than red states. It is a fact that that the left ideology wants to reduce our freedoms in regard to the 1st & 2nd amendment.

I would like to know why someone would think Trump is going to be a dictator?

Also why someone would think that the democrats are constitutionalist’s.

What is the origin of these thoughts/logic? Are they opinions? Are they based on information that has been provided? If so how accurate are the sources?

I don’t personally believe he will be a dictator. I think he’s too old. However the way he ended his last term was definitely unsettling (Mike Pence in particular). But the main reason people might think that is comments like this:

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way ... any-voters

I study history a lot. That’s just not how American Presidents talk. Personally I wouldn’t support anybody who made statements like that (no matter how much I agreed with them). Maybe Nixon would talk like that behind closed doors, but in public? No way. Imagine what you might think if Obama had said that at his peak? Disturbed?

As for your latter question, it would depend on what you mean by a constitutionalist. There are originalists (the Federalist society Republicans) and “living constitutionalists” (who believe in a somewhat looser reading of the document). This can be interpreted as directly written powers vs. implied powers. Thomas Jefferson had a great quote about the earth belonging to the “living generation” and the absurdity of allowing the dead to “bind the living.” I think that applies to the originalists of today. As President Thomas Jefferson tried to limit his powers to those “directly written in the constitution” (after all his generation was still alive and this is how he interpreted the document). However, when presented with the opportunity to secure the Louisiana Purchase he went through with this (even though there was nothing in the Constitution that allowed him to purchase this land). Although it troubled him, he used the “implied powers” when it suited him. Was he wrong to do this? I don’t think so.

[drew]

Thats what you got, maybe you should have sat this one out. Trump has said publicly that he has no affiliation with project 2025.

I would like to know why someone would think Trump is going to be a dictator?

Also why someone would think that the democrats are constitutionalist’s.

What is the origin of these thoughts/logic? Are they opinions? Are they based on information that has been provided? If so how accurate are the sources?

Check out Project 2025 and don’t believe the malarkey that Trump isn’t familiar with it

[JVGondal]

Drew
They are conditioned to lying and breaking laws “for the better of good”. Fabricating falsehoods to suppress their opposition at any cost.
Because that is how they operate they think Trump is the same. Thats how things work in a criminals mind

their followers believe Trump is an advocate of 2025 in hiding
Never mind the fact he is more transparent than any one of them .
When his actions prove it they will say he was not allowed to implement 2025 and claim victory

Yes they are that evil
Think of this. What if Kamala was shot in the ear at a rally. They never would stop focusing on it
Do you think the news would have just swept it under the rug like they did with Trump?
They said how awful it was then 3 days later they forgot about it and the attacks started again

[drew]

I agree. My point is that I have seen those with that mindset start to re-evaluate their opinions when asked these questions. They are basing their beliefs solely from biased sources.



 

Drew
They are conditioned to lying and breaking laws “for the better of good”. Fabricating falsehoods to suppress their opposition at any cost.
Because that is how they operate they think Trump is the same. Thats how things work in a criminals mind

their followers believe Trump is an advocate of 2025 in hiding
Never mind the fact he is more transparent than any one of them .
When his actions prove it they will say he was not allowed to implement 2025 and claim victory

Yes they are that evil
Think of this. What if Kamala was shot in the ear at a rally. They never would stop focusing on it
Do you think the news would have just swept it under the rug like they did with Trump?
They said how awful it was then 3 days later they forgot about it and the attacks started again

[monte300]

Thats what you got, maybe you should have sat this one out. Trump has said publicly that he has no affiliation with project 2025.

I would like to know why someone would think Trump is going to be a dictator?

Also why someone would think that the democrats are constitutionalist’s.

What is the origin of these thoughts/logic? Are they opinions? Are they based on information that has been provided? If so how accurate are the sources?

Check out Project 2025 and don’t believe the malarkey that Trump isn’t familiar with it

and you believe what Trump says? If his mouth is moving he’s lying

[monte300]

Drew
They are conditioned to lying and breaking laws “for the better of good”. Fabricating falsehoods to suppress their opposition at any cost.
Because that is how they operate they think Trump is the same. Thats how things work in a criminals mind

their followers believe Trump is an advocate of 2025 in hiding
Never mind the fact he is more transparent than any one of them .
When his actions prove it they will say he was not allowed to implement 2025 and claim victory

Yes they are that evil
Think of this. What if Kamala was shot in the ear at a rally. They never would stop focusing on it
Do you think the news would have just swept it under the rug like they did with Trump?
They said how awful it was then 3 days later they forgot about it and the attacks started again

With a republican senate and the Supreme Court in his back pocket, with full immunity the chairman in training will do anything he damn well pleases. Only time will tell if he’s being honest about Project 2025. When he runs amok and poops on the constitution we will have ourselves to blame for giving him unchecked power.

[Kennortonjr]

I agree. My point is that I have seen those with that mindset start to re-evaluate their opinions when asked these questions. They are basing their beliefs solely from biased sources.



 

Drew
They are conditioned to lying and breaking laws “for the better of good”. Fabricating falsehoods to suppress their opposition at any cost.
Because that is how they operate they think Trump is the same. Thats how things work in a criminals mind

their followers believe Trump is an advocate of 2025 in hiding
Never mind the fact he is more transparent than any one of them .
When his actions prove it they will say he was not allowed to implement 2025 and claim victory

Yes they are that evil
Think of this. What if Kamala was shot in the ear at a rally. They never would stop focusing on it
Do you think the news would have just swept it under the rug like they did with Trump?
They said how awful it was then 3 days later they forgot about it and the attacks started again

I would love to know what sources you rely upon? To me it’s pretty clear that one of the biggest problems in the country is the partisan entertainment-based nature of many news sources. Personally I would say Fox News is just as evil as MSNBC. You guys might lambast the “mainstream media”, but have you checked out a list of top podcasts? Conservatives like Rogan are the new mainstream media (and what sheep do they lead?). Personally, I think a real man in this day and age reads conservative, liberal and neutral sources. I would highly doubt most people do that. If you don’t, you will be led.

Disappointing to see your “two questions” were not genuine and more of a “gotcha” setup. I think the least you could do (after I put a lot of thought into my previous answer) would be to address these two points:

#1 - Why might somebody think Trump will be a dictator? Again, I don’t think this (he’s too old). But articles like this:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-e ... rcna177227

This is not exactly a list of “people who pee sitting down”. These are real men with valid concerns. I can’t think of a former President that had the people who served with them speaking out like this (yeah yeah drain the swamp - why did he have them the first time than).

The thought would be that last time he had people around him (Pence and others) who controlled his wilder instincts. He clearly supports cronies that kiss up to him; is he only going to surround himself with people who can’t say “no”? Now I don’t believe this will happen. But being concerned about this possibility is not exactly stupid (as you seem to imply). Do you see how people would possibly have this concern?


#2 Would you agree that red states don’t always have less restrictions than blue states? For example red states all restrict abortion now (to you it may not be a big deal, but in red states this is a government imposed restriction). There are a number of other examples of blue sates having more “freedoms”, but I don’t want to turn this into a culture war debate. The issue becomes political quickly. I think intelligent people can disagree on how much of constitutional powers are implied vs taken directly literally.

At the end of the day I see Trump as somebody who is (easily bought off) and in bed with Silicon Valley and big-tech. Personally I see “Big Tech” as the most destructive force in our lives. Have you spent any time with young people in the last ten years? The last thing we need is a President in debt to those people (as Trump now is).

Finally, could somebody please address how Trump’s tariffs will be good for my tackle box? Can we keep this thread going for when a Whopper Plopper costs $35?

[monte300]

Thanks for pointing out that Fox is just as bad as MSNBC and CNN from the opposite viewpoint

[monte300]

Thanks for pointing out that Fox is just as bad as MSNBC and CNN from the opposite viewpoint. The only real difference is Fox has better looking women with more makeup and shorter skirts. I think you’re being naive regarding Trump’s age Chairman Mao was no youngster. Those in power tend to become more unhinged rather than less with age IMO

[drew]

This is true of all politicians and why we do not have a true democracy. All politicians need funding from their constituents in order to be elected.

Not unique and definitely not a special trait with Trump.

and you believe what Trump says? If his mouth is moving he’s lying

[JVGondal]

It’s tough to find an issue that Trump is not clear on.
Kamala changed her position on many and others would not answer
You really had no idea what you were going to get except unlimited taxes

[Whoopbass]

Wah Wah Wah
Everything you listed is horsehit with the exception of FOX news which is another arm of the deep state.

Monte is nothing but a broken record......women's rights.....project 2025. First off women don't give a damn about my rights so screw em. I voted for the health of the country not because I might want to kill a baby one day. If they don't like whatever abortion rules are in their state then they can move.
Project 2025.....get over it. Tell me what's wrong with it? Climate change? I've been hearing similar claims my whole life. They just change the name but its the same old crap. News to you, the world is nearing the end of an ice age so of course the earth is going to warm up some.

Blue states are more free then red states. If i'm a liberal I can get a group of thugs together and trash cities without repercussion. I can do drugs freely in public and set up home on a sidewalk. I'm able to eat lunch buck naked in the Tenderloin district if I choose to. If i'm an 8 year old boy I can transition without my parents knowing. If i'm in prison and want to transition the tax payers will pay for it. There's a million more. Now I see why Monte is afraid of Project 2025 since it goes against his lack of morals.

Trump can be bought off?? Nonsense. The man took no pay in his first term and he lost a billion in net worth in his first presidency. Name one President that left office with less net worth.....you can't.

In bed with Silicon Valley and Big Tech....That is laughable. As far as I know the only platform that can be considered pro Trump is X and that is because Musk bought it. Musk said it was over valued and a bad buy but he bought it to save free speech. Silicon Valley is full of people that think like you so tell me how is Trump in bed with them?
It's a fact that the CIA, FBI, etc was in bed with Big Tech to suppress conservative view points. Same with the liberal media but you hypocrites don't mind.

Pence and the others.....Part of the deep state just the same as you and other liberals but they're on a larger scale. The Lib's are just brainwashed to keep the deep state and their ideas moving along to their ultimate goal and that is a one world order.
Trump is going to be real careful and do his best to keep the scum out of his cabinet this time around so watch out.

Until you Lib's can post something factual about Trump that proves your point then give it up. I'm done hearing about your feelings.

[drew]

I try to weigh the facts and I'm skeptical of all of the news outlets. Many of the facts were very hard to refute. As when NYC changed the statute of limitations for the sole reason to charge DJT. I could care less if it were sanders, aoc or Trump, it was wrong. It was also very obvious if you had any critical thinking ability. It is bad for us as individuals and for our political system. The litmus test is how would you feel if it happened to one of your family members.

People need to put their competitive urges aside and look at what is going on. How it will affect all of the citizens or the country as a whole. You will hear many reasons why Trump won, and the truth is the lawfare upset many more then the left will accept. They f'ed us all regardless of one's beliefs and just out of desperation. When a person/group acts excessively desperate it makes people take notice. Just like an aggressive used car salesman. It's a big red flag. Those used cars salesmen love the overly emotionally. Their easy to take advantage of.

The tariffs will allow other countries to compete with china including the US. Ultimately people will buy less so it will not hurt our bottom line. We cannot compete with china and we have become too reliant on them for too many necessities.

We have a bad problem with them, they have extremely bad human rights issues. At this point it's much worse than sweat shops. They do not take care of their old non-producers; they do not incarcerate their criminals or try to rehabilitate drug addicts. Most of them get incinerated; every coal plant has a crematorium. We only have a few options, stop all trades with them which would be very hard at this point, tariffs as a slow withdraw or join them. Culturally we are not capable of joining them.

I would love to know what sources you rely upon? To me it’s pretty clear that one of the biggest problems in the country is the partisan entertainment-based nature of many news sources. Personally I would say Fox News is just as evil as MSNBC. You guys might lambast the “mainstream media”, but have you checked out a list of top podcasts? Conservatives like Rogan are the new mainstream media (and what sheep do they lead?). Personally, I think a real man in this day and age reads conservative, liberal and neutral sources. I would highly doubt most people do that. If you don’t, you will be led.

Disappointing to see your “two questions” were not genuine and more of a “gotcha” setup. I think the least you could do (after I put a lot of thought into my previous answer) would be to address these two points:

#1 - Why might somebody think Trump will be a dictator? Again, I don’t think this (he’s too old). But articles like this:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-e ... rcna177227

This is not exactly a list of “people who pee sitting down”. These are real men with valid concerns. I can’t think of a former President that had the people who served with them speaking out like this (yeah yeah drain the swamp - why did he have them the first time than).

The thought would be that last time he had people around him (Pence and others) who controlled his wilder instincts. He clearly supports cronies that kiss up to him; is he only going to surround himself with people who can’t say “no”? Now I don’t believe this will happen. But being concerned about this possibility is not exactly stupid (as you seem to imply). Do you see how people would possibly have this concern?


#2 Would you agree that red states don’t always have less restrictions than blue states? For example red states all restrict abortion now (to you it may not be a big deal, but in red states this is a government imposed restriction). There are a number of other examples of blue sates having more “freedoms”, but I don’t want to turn this into a culture war debate. The issue becomes political quickly. I think intelligent people can disagree on how much of constitutional powers are implied vs taken directly literally.

At the end of the day I see Trump as somebody who is (easily bought off) and in bed with Silicon Valley and big-tech. Personally I see “Big Tech” as the most destructive force in our lives. Have you spent any time with young people in the last ten years? The last thing we need is a President in debt to those people (as Trump now is).

Finally, could somebody please address how Trump’s tariffs will be good for my tackle box? Can we keep this thread going for when a Whopper Plopper costs $35?

[JVGondal]

Liberalism is a mental disorder
Broken record player here.

[drew]

That is not more freedom and a ridiculous argument. Allowing people to commit crimes is giving to one group and taking away from another. Not allowing people to defend themselves is a better argument because it affects all of the citizens. Taking away our ability to openly practice our religion or communicate without censorship affects everyone. I can assure you blue states have higher taxes and less freedom. Can't compare ID to CA.

Blue states are more free then red states. If i'm a liberal I can get a group of thugs together and trash cities without repercussion. I can do drugs freely in public and set up home on a sidewalk. I'm able to eat lunch buck naked in the Tenderloin district if I choose to. If i'm an 8 year old boy I can transition without my parents knowing. If i'm in prison and want to transition the tax payers will pay for it.

[Whoopbass]

That is not more freedom and a ridiculous argument. Allowing people to commit crimes is giving to one group and taking away from another. Not allowing people to defend themselves is a better argument because it affects all of the citizens. Taking away our ability to openly practice our religion or communicate without censorship affects everyone. I can assure you blue states have higher taxes and less freedom. Can't compare ID to CA.


Can you take a crap on the steps of the county courthouse in Idaho and then go panhandle on the corner?? Case closed

[monte300]

Wah Wah Wah
Everything you listed is horsehit with the exception of FOX news which is another arm of the deep state.

Monte is nothing but a broken record......women's rights.....project 2025. First off women don't give a damn about my rights so screw em. I voted for the health of the country not because I might want to kill a baby one day. If they don't like whatever abortion rules are in their state then they can move.
Project 2025.....get over it. Tell me what's wrong with it? Climate change? I've been hearing similar claims my whole life. They just change the name but its the same old crap. News to you, the world is nearing the end of an ice age so of course the earth is going to warm up some.

Blue states are more free then red states. If i'm a liberal I can get a group of thugs together and trash cities without repercussion. I can do drugs freely in public and set up home on a sidewalk. I'm able to eat lunch buck naked in the Tenderloin district if I choose to. If i'm an 8 year old boy I can transition without my parents knowing. If i'm in prison and want to transition the tax payers will pay for it. There's a million more. Now I see why Monte is afraid of Project 2025 since it goes against his lack of morals.

Trump can be bought off?? Nonsense. The man took no pay in his first term and he lost a billion in net worth in his first presidency. Name one President that left office with less net worth.....you can't.

In bed with Silicon Valley and Big Tech....That is laughable. As far as I know the only platform that can be considered pro Trump is X and that is because Musk bought it. Musk said it was over valued and a bad buy but he bought it to save free speech. Silicon Valley is full of people that think like you so tell me how is Trump in bed with them?
It's a fact that the CIA, FBI, etc was in bed with Big Tech to suppress conservative view points. Same with the liberal media but you hypocrites don't mind.

Pence and the others.....Part of the deep state just the same as you and other liberals but they're on a larger scale. The Lib's are just brainwashed to keep the deep state and their ideas moving along to their ultimate goal and that is a one world order.
Trump is going to be real careful and do his best to keep the scum out of his cabinet this time around so watch out.

Until you Lib's can post something factual about Trump that proves your point then give it up. I'm done hearing about your feelings.

Despicable power hungry person is factual. Big deal if he passed up a $400,000 annual salary, the dude is a multi billionaire. The tax breaks he can give himself and his billionaire cronies far outweighs an annual salary of less than a half million. One thing you and the chairman have in common is you are both wannabe bullies. Him behind a bulletproof glass, you behind the safety of a computer screen

[Kennortonjr]

Wah Wah Wah
Everything you listed is horsehit with the exception of FOX news which is another arm of the deep state.

Monte is nothing but a broken record......women's rights.....project 2025. First off women don't give a damn about my rights so screw em. I voted for the health of the country not because I might want to kill a baby one day. If they don't like whatever abortion rules are in their state then they can move.
Project 2025.....get over it. Tell me what's wrong with it? Climate change? I've been hearing similar claims my whole life. They just change the name but its the same old crap. News to you, the world is nearing the end of an ice age so of course the earth is going to warm up some.

Blue states are more free then red states. If i'm a liberal I can get a group of thugs together and trash cities without repercussion. I can do drugs freely in public and set up home on a sidewalk. I'm able to eat lunch buck naked in the Tenderloin district if I choose to. If i'm an 8 year old boy I can transition without my parents knowing. If i'm in prison and want to transition the tax payers will pay for it. There's a million more. Now I see why Monte is afraid of Project 2025 since it goes against his lack of morals.

Trump can be bought off?? Nonsense. The man took no pay in his first term and he lost a billion in net worth in his first presidency. Name one President that left office with less net worth.....you can't.

In bed with Silicon Valley and Big Tech....That is laughable. As far as I know the only platform that can be considered pro Trump is X and that is because Musk bought it. Musk said it was over valued and a bad buy but he bought it to save free speech. Silicon Valley is full of people that think like you so tell me how is Trump in bed with them?
It's a fact that the CIA, FBI, etc was in bed with Big Tech to suppress conservative view points. Same with the liberal media but you hypocrites don't mind.

Pence and the others.....Part of the deep state just the same as you and other liberals but they're on a larger scale. The Lib's are just brainwashed to keep the deep state and their ideas moving along to their ultimate goal and that is a one world order.
Trump is going to be real careful and do his best to keep the scum out of his cabinet this time around so watch out.

Until you Lib's can post something factual about Trump that proves your point then give it up. I'm done hearing about your feelings.

There are a lot of well thought out points from opposing viewpoints on this page. I think that, much like when Walz and Vance debated, many of us could agree on a lot of points (if not the majority). Speaking of Vance, Drew you should ask him your “dictator” question - after all, he wrote that Trump could be “America’s Hitler” (again, not my viewpoint). That’s literally the VP making that argument! Not some far left loon.

Regarding Trump being bought off:

https://youtu.be/34ArzHztFaE?si=pAHZjvPZk3dJzT3u


What is your take on what he says at 1:55 in that video? Is he joking? Do you think he would have said that if Elon didn’t donate millions of dollars to his campaign? How might you have felt if Obama had said the same thing? Really try to consider what your reaction would have been.

Furthermore, what are we to make of his son-in-law being given 2 billion dollars (with no experience managing such a fund) by the Saudi government. I’m old enough to remember when one would have avoided the Saudi Government on a sense of patriotic duty alone. Call me old fashioned!

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68296877

What about this potential Egypt bribe?

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4860 ... ent-probe/

Please consider that these two stories were about Biden and Hunter. Would that feel like corruption? I think Jeff Bezos canceling the Washington Post Harris endorsement was directly correlated with a quid-pro-quo for Blue Origin satellite contracts. Trump is no boy-scout, please!

Naming a President with less net worth? I’m sure if we go back far enough…. But really, I’m not sure if anybody knows Trump’s net worth. Is that public knowledge?

I’ll tell you how Trump is in bed with Silicon Valley: You’re right, X is obviously very pro-Trump. And if you haven’t already, look up who Peter Thiel is and what his relationship is with JD Vance. Once Trump chose Vance, all the Silicon Valley money (okay a large part of it) went to Trump. Thiel was Vance’s mentor. Most of us would consider Thiel an evil globalist elite (just look him up if you don’t believe me). Big-tech companies will start doing everything they can to avoid regulation. They want to avoid further hearing in congress. Personally this is just about my number one issue, and I know Republicans won’t do anything about it. Big tech has ruined a large part of our youth.

https://www.thenation.com/article/polit ... donations/

Pence was a conservative AM radio talk show host and then Republican governor of Indiana. He’s not “deep state”. Based on their lifetime credentials Trump is WAY more “deep state.” Trump is a Clinton voting big city elite! He ain’t like you.

Trump is not the Second Coming. Placing any politician on a pedestal is disturbing. I would feel totally insane putting a huge *** Harris flag on my truck (or in my front yard). Hero-worship is un-American. We got rid of the King almost 250 years ago. The idea that “_________ alone can fix it” is for rubes. I think the Vice Presidential debate gave us hope for more logical and sane policies later on this decade. USA! USA! USA!

[JVGondal]

Woopbass is 100% correct and you know it
What greedy rich person gives up 400,000
And takes on the communist left
He has been attacked and prosecuted like no other man alive
He has been accused of many lies
Day in and day out the kind hearted liberals call him the most disposable names. “Hitler”
Not some silly name like rocket man
Or Pocahontas. They twist the truth and you fall for it every time
Trump has beat Hillary Joe Biden and now Kamala Harris. Each and every opponent . This time around they removed old Joe soon as it was clear he was loosing
Like an authoritarian government they installed Harris without people’s vote. He beat her too!!

Then came the red wave flipping even 10 counties in the bluest state of Ca.
Arguably He beat Joe the first time.
He was not a politician when He first ran for President

He has been put through hell because of all you looser liberals and even took a bullet
WHY? He believes Someone needs to save America. There is no other reason
He could have simply sailed off into the sunset and played golf. You think he is gaining something?
The man is one strong son of a Bitch that will never stop fighting for YOU. Only you are too far gone to know it

[monte300]

I’m not sure how Vance can be taken seriously, as recent as two years ago he was anti Trump and very vocal about it. Talk about drinking the Koolaid!

Regarding Trump’s wealth good for him, we all aspire to do better in life. What’s so off putting is the way he brags about not paying taxes. SO presidential.

[monte300]

Woopbass is 100% correct and you know it
What greedy rich person gives up 400,000
And takes on the communist left
He has been attacked and prosecuted like no other man alive
He has been accused of many lies
Day in and day out the kind hearted liberals call him the most disposable names. “Hitler”
Not some silly name like rocket man
Or Pocahontas. They twist the truth and you fall for it every time
Trump has beat Hillary Joe Biden and now Kamala Harris. Each and every opponent . This time around they removed old Joe soon as it was clear he was loosing
Like an authoritarian government they installed Harris without people’s vote. He beat her too!!

Then came the red wave flipping even 10 counties in the bluest state of Ca.
Arguably He beat Joe the first time.
He was not a politician when He first ran for President

He has been put through hell because of all you looser liberals and even took a bullet
WHY? He believes Someone needs to save America. There is no other reason
He could have simply sailed off into the sunset and played golf. You think he is gaining something?
The man is one strong son of a Bitch that will never stop fighting for YOU. Only you are too far gone to know it

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com ... ipo=images

[JVGondal]

Trump pays much more in taxes than you and I
Not percentage wise but millions dollars more than us
1.4 million per year on average

[monte300]

Trump pays much more in taxes than you and I
Not percentage wise but millions dollars more than us
1.4 million per year on average

Then why does he brag about not paying any federal taxes. Oh that’s right if his mouth is moving he’s lying. Poor Trump everyone is picking on him. Thanks to statute of limitations he’s gotten away with multiple sexual assaults along with other crimes. He deserves every bit of grief he’s gotten and then some.

[JVGondal]

Nope he did not pay taxes every year. He did in fact pay little to none several years.
On average over his life he paid 1.4 million a year.


Like he said. He used the same loop holes as Hillary and company. They won’t change the rules because they Benifit. You had 8 years Obama and 4 more Biden. I wonder if they fixed it ??
Oh and I’m just saying. Have you ever heard the media say a single good thing about him?

[Kennortonjr]

Woopbass is 100% correct and you know it
What greedy rich person gives up 400,000
And takes on the communist left
He has been attacked and prosecuted like no other man alive
He has been accused of many lies
Day in and day out the kind hearted liberals call him the most disposable names. “Hitler”
Not some silly name like rocket man
Or Pocahontas. They twist the truth and you fall for it every time
Trump has beat Hillary Joe Biden and now Kamala Harris. Each and every opponent . This time around they removed old Joe soon as it was clear he was loosing
Like an authoritarian government they installed Harris without people’s vote. He beat her too!!

Then came the red wave flipping even 10 counties in the bluest state of Ca.
Arguably He beat Joe the first time.
He was not a politician when He first ran for President

He has been put through hell because of all you looser liberals and even took a bullet
WHY? He believes Someone needs to save America. There is no other reason
He could have simply sailed off into the sunset and played golf. You think he is gaining something?
The man is one strong son of a Bitch that will never stop fighting for YOU. Only you are too far gone to know it

How sure are you of all of this? Is it possible you have been led (by the media you consume) into thinking this way. How often do you check opposing news sources? I will tell you both sides have biased news channels that ignore stories, deflect or, as our friend Bill O’reilly used to say, “spin.”

Do you think there is any chance you could be wrong about this? I’ll admit I could be wrong. The absolute certainty that Trump is this God-like figure! I’m skeptical of everything. I couldn’t imagine putting that sort of faith in anybody (let alone someone with Epstein ties).

Trump has been running for President since the late 90s. Look up his run for the Reform Party. He IS a politician (and has been for 25 years). Is it possible that somebody who was spoiled rich his whole life is not motivated by money…but by power? I see his motivations totally different than you do. Perhaps one of us is being naive? Personally I worship no man. But maybe I’m too cynical?

[JVGondal]

The bottom line is we only know what they feed us

It’s up to us to seek truth. But what do you or I really know ?
I ask the same question

[monte300]

I used to think no man is above the law but it appears Trump is. The thing he’s not above is karma and he pays for that in grief

[JVGondal]

I’m still waiting to hear what crime committed

[monte300]

I’m still waiting to hear what crime committed

34 felony counts…..dozens of women come forward on sexual charges…..explain that away regarding Teflon Don….

[Whoopbass]

Kennortonjr, lol is that the best you can do with those links?? The first one at 1:55 mark is pathetic. Trump is speaking off the cuff and we all know he has a funny way of speaking. He say's "I'm for electric {pause}{then} "because I have to be because Elon endorsed me".
Trump said he is going to scrap that plan for cars to be all electric by 2030. Bought by Musk but scrapping that plan. Makes a lot of sense. NOT
That Youtube link says it all. Sound bites with everything taken out of context. That's the recipe to get you libs fired up and you fall for it every time.

The Kushner link.....So the Saudi's now own 2B worth of "Infinity Partners" a private equity firm owned by Kushner and probably others. Would you rather they invested in George Soro's equity firm?
I don't know much on this subject but I do know if anything was done illegally that he would be in jail by now. I'm sure the Dem's went over everything they could pertaining to his company and came up with nothing.

Egyptian bribe? It's all speculation and I presume is made up by the DNC. I am confident there was nothing there or else the DOJ would have got him on it. They tried to get him on every little thing they could after he said he was running again. Heck, they even orchestrated an assassination attempt on the man.

A large part of Silicon Valley money?? lol Maybe just maybe 10% of it. They're 90% liberal in those parts so 10% sounds about right. I would sure like to know how much of Kamala's 1 billion came from Silicon Valley.

Pence is a POS. He might not be deep state from deep in the CIA like the Bush's are but he does what he's told just like 95% of the Dem's and 75% of the Pube's. Most of these politicians are no smarter then the average joe so they know better then to step out of line or risk losing their cushy job.

The way the flag wavers see it and also a good percentage of the country, Trump is indeed the "second coming". We don't want our country go the way the likes of the UK, Canada, and Australia has gone. We want a closed border, we don't want war, were tired of sending our money to other countries, were tired of the woke agenda, were tired of the government tearing down our moral values and destroying the American family. They destroyed black families and now they're gunning for the rest of us. If they succeed in that then the country is gone and they will have accomplished their goal.

Harris was just part of the establishment and we dodged a bullet. She has been installed in every position she's had except for one which she beat a republican in SF (surprise). Her family's heritage has been hidden. Her mothers maiden name is Finegan and coincidentally Joe Biden's also came from a family of Finegan's. Harris ancestors were slave owners. Her Father is MIA in all of this. You would think he would have done an interview on how proud he was of his daughter running for president but it never happened. Obama is related to the Bush's as crazy as that sounds. It's like their breeding Presidents.

Quit getting your news from the CIA infiltrated biased main stream media. Tune into Candace Owens or even Joe Rogan. You will get an understanding on how corrupt this government is and you will resist the establishment kinda like the Lib's did all the way up to until Obama got in. Sure it started before that but now the Lib's put 100% trust in the government. What happened?

Anyway, I can't go on with this thread. You opened up my eyes on how the left thinks. I didn't think it was this bad. It's clear were completely divided. I believe if they don't kill Trump or if his own party doesn't get in his way this time then were going to see real changes and the country will slowly heal over time.
I'm done with this pointless discussion. OUT

[Kennortonjr]

Kennortonjr, lol is that the best you can do with those links?? The first one at 1:55 mark is pathetic. Trump is speaking off the cuff and we all know he has a funny way of speaking. He say's "I'm for electric {pause}{then} "because I have to be because Elon endorsed me".
Trump said he is going to scrap that plan for cars to be all electric by 2030. Bought by Musk but scrapping that plan. Makes a lot of sense. NOT
That Youtube link says it all. Sound bites with everything taken out of context. That's the recipe to get you libs fired up and you fall for it every time.

The Kushner link.....So the Saudi's now own 2B worth of "Infinity Partners" a private equity firm owned by Kushner and probably others. Would you rather they invested in George Soro's equity firm?
I don't know much on this subject but I do know if anything was done illegally that he would be in jail by now. I'm sure the Dem's went over everything they could pertaining to his company and came up with nothing.

Egyptian bribe? It's all speculation and I presume is made up by the DNC. I am confident there was nothing there or else the DOJ would have got him on it. They tried to get him on every little thing they could after he said he was running again. Heck, they even orchestrated an assassination attempt on the man.

A large part of Silicon Valley money?? lol Maybe just maybe 10% of it. They're 90% liberal in those parts so 10% sounds about right. I would sure like to know how much of Kamala's 1 billion came from Silicon Valley.

Pence is a POS. He might not be deep state from deep in the CIA like the Bush's are but he does what he's told just like 95% of the Dem's and 75% of the Pube's. Most of these politicians are no smarter then the average joe so they know better then to step out of line or risk losing their cushy job.

The way the flag wavers see it and also a good percentage of the country, Trump is indeed the "second coming". We don't want our country go the way the likes of the UK, Canada, and Australia has gone. We want a closed border, we don't want war, were tired of sending our money to other countries, were tired of the woke agenda, were tired of the government tearing down our moral values and destroying the American family. They destroyed black families and now they're gunning for the rest of us. If they succeed in that then the country is gone and they will have accomplished their goal.

Harris was just part of the establishment and we dodged a bullet. She has been installed in every position she's had except for one which she beat a republican in SF (surprise). Her family's heritage has been hidden. Her mothers maiden name is Finegan and coincidentally Joe Biden's also came from a family of Finegan's. Harris ancestors were slave owners. Her Father is MIA in all of this. You would think he would have done an interview on how proud he was of his daughter running for president but it never happened. Obama is related to the Bush's as crazy as that sounds. It's like their breeding Presidents.

Quit getting your news from the CIA infiltrated biased main stream media. Tune into Candace Owens or even Joe Rogan. You will get an understanding on how corrupt this government is and you will resist the establishment kinda like the Lib's did all the way up to until Obama got in. Sure it started before that but now the Lib's put 100% trust in the government. What happened?

Anyway, I can't go on with this thread. You opened up my eyes on how the left thinks. I didn't think it was this bad. It's clear were completely divided. I believe if they don't kill Trump or if his own party doesn't get in his way this time then were going to see real changes and the country will slowly heal over time.
I'm done with this pointless discussion. OUT

those links were not some “gotcha” - they were just the first that came up on google (should I have used DuckDuckGo?) and I was including them as a courtesy relevant to what I was talking about. You can find hundreds of articles reporting the same stories. And you can find hundreds of stories reporting similarly questionable behavior.

Second of all, going forward, please spare us of that sanctimonious and melodramatic final paragraph. I’ve been 100% non-emotional, matter-of-fact, and “here’s why people might think ________”. To act like I’m some loon in here and there is some huge gulf between fellow Americans is exactly what “they” want. I was only trying to show you guys why some people may not wish to blindly follow Trump; and that there are valid reasons, at least for those with a cynical mind, to question him. I try to look at all this stuff with no emotion and almost like an alien analyzing the behavior of another planet. I think everybody wants what is best for America and I would disagree that there is such a divide. In my real life I have friends on all political extremes, we talk about this stuff, and I see it firsthand. This is simply how America has been since the days of Federalists vs anti-Federalists.

I’m reminded of an old saying, “It’s easier to fool people, than to convince them they’ve been fooled.”

Believe me, I get my news from all sources and this is how I see things. I do have to caution you, if you truly believe Joe Rogan and Candace Owens are good sources of information, you will not develop a clear picture of what is going on in the world. These two are now the “mainstream mass media” and they both are incredibly biased. Furthermore, I question Rogan’s intelligence: He used to repeat the story that “Killer Whales” only stopped eating people (like sharks) when WW2 fighter pilots began using them for target practice. He was saying they were so smart they decided they had to stop attacking people. He would repeat that story on his podcast all the time! Nowadays he constantly harps on debunked culture war stories.

[AVG.JOE]

Democrats can cry all they want-the majority has spoken and it’s time for the country to flourish and we don’t have to worry about paying for sex changes!!! Lol

[Whoopbass]

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[beezer15]

Throw in my two cents. This thread can be clearly labeled hard working middle class vs rich or poor class. Why do I say this, quite easy people that work for their money are tired of it being frivolously spent on progressive agendas, proxy wars.

Those who are fortunate with wealth have some kind of guilt, like they have to give back/ they’ll make a difference, or have always been cucks and want to see themselves get screwed over. Or the poor class that doesn’t want to work hard they want to live one everyone else’s handouts. Don’t worry the government will take care of it lol.

Trump has distanced himself from project 2025 soo many times that’s what got him so many votes from centered democrats they actually listened, but if your main source of information is the view then clearly that’s his masterpiece in the making.

We care about women’s rights? Remember how nobody gave two shits about anyone’s rights when it came to the Covid vaccine. Look at you now, side effects making your empathetic hearts too big to handle. The government doesn’t care about reproductive rights they want the welfare machine to keep on chugging along just like the war machine. Makes people dependent on the government, because clearly they have your best interest at heart.

I truly can’t wait for my check, I work hard for to get bigger. For all these frivolous progressive scams that are used to launder money back into the pockets of politicians, to go away and stop taxing me so much. How will I give back by stimulating the economy with my new truck and new boat as soon as these interest rates drop.

All of you act like if you didn’t know the loopholes the elites use to benefit themselves, you wouldn’t use them lol.

What I do know is the system is corrupt, clearly no faith in the voting process. What a sad realization to come to after dedicating 9 years in the service lol.

Btw record breaking turn out this election but clearly about 17+ million votes missing? Yeah it’s all fair. Hopefully they actually enact term limits to all politicians what a joke these fools go in not worth a damn and within a year in office become millionaires on a government employees salary lol.

[jiggin4bass]

Bottom line is Republicans are in charge everything else doesn't matter. Sit back and watch the wrecking ball of the republican party raise hell for the next 4 years.

[monte300]

Bottom line is Republicans are in charge everything else doesn't matter. Sit back and watch the wrecking ball of the republican party raise hell for the next 4 years.

Bring on the wrecking ball hopefully Trump’s policies and actions help improve working men and women’s bottom lines. Is it safe to assume your comment is based on making things better rather than simply revenge?

[JVGondal]

You can join the 4B movement if you are really upset

[monte300]

No shortage of misogynists on this board. A bully does not equate to a man or a leader in fact just the opposite

[JVGondal]

The accusations fly.

[monte300]

The accusations fly.

aaaannnddd……4B movement isn’t an accusation? I think you, Whoopbass and Jiggin should get together for a testosterone-fest and make the delta great again

[JVGondal]

It was just an idea.

[Kennortonjr]

I would caution everybody to “take pause” to any outrage content (like the 4B movement). We have over 335 million people in our country. Of course you can find lunatics (to your far left or far right) espousing any possible viewpoint. But is it typical? Or even worth giving your attention to? Big tech makes money from outrage content and so they are more likely to promote it. Agents from Iran, China, and Russia intentionally try to divide us. If you see something that provokes an emotion reaction just think, “who benefits from the spread of this” and “does it actually affect my life on a day-to-day basis”? Again 335 million Americans. Nobody in this thread will ever encounter a “real life” 4B practitioner. Tell you what, if you can prove you encounter one organically I will meet you at an Oroville launch ramp and give you $100. Won’t happen though!

Interesting that, given Trump’s deep connections with Jeffrey Epstein (“best friends”), he would choose Matt Gaetz (of all people) as Attorney General. I would really hope I’m not the only one disturbed by this.

The Trump enigma: I would guess most of us would consider ourselves masculine men. I could understand supporting a George HW Bush style Republican and I would “get it.” I really don’t understand the complete WORSHIP of Trump (who is not masculine and spoiled rich). I could understand it more if this was a John Wayne/Ernest Hemingway/the Undertaker style man. But he’s just not. He went to private schools. I don’t believe Trump has ever caught a fish. You know when you take a kid fishing and they get weird about taking the hook out? That’s exactly how Trump would be, only he would just get all quiet. But he would tense up and get grossed out and not touch it. I appreciate how some of you tried to explain the Trump worship, I really do want to understand it, but it just boggles my mind the level of worship for a rich, globalist, elite. To each their own though, this is a democracy (and before that one guy tries to correct me, I realize it’s not a literal direct democracy).

[Kennortonjr]

When men were men:

https://www.hukgear.com/blogs/news/4423 ... Nv0Pz530eS

I read a lot about the Presidents, who do you have as your top Presidential fisherman? To me, despite being a Republican (the party of bankers and Northeast elites) Eisenhower stands out. I think you put him on a river with a fly-rod and he does tremendous damage. Obviously he’s using in-line spinners successfully. He makes the transition to bass boats better than just about anybody else. I think he would be stubborn about FFS (and I can’t say I would blame him). This is a bipartisan pick. Give Eisenhower a giant swimbait and I think he fishes it more patiently and methodically than just about anybody in this thread.

[marinerfandave]

According to Mr. Trump, Arnold Palmer was a man in his eyes

[monte300]

According to Mr. Trump, Arnold Palmer was a man in his eyes

[monte300]

When men were men:

https://www.hukgear.com/blogs/news/4423 ... Nv0Pz530eS

I read a lot about the Presidents, who do you have as your top Presidential fisherman? To me, despite being a Republican (the party of bankers and Northeast elites) Eisenhower stands out. I think you put him on a river with a fly-rod and he does tremendous damage. Obviously he’s using in-line spinners successfully. He makes the transition to bass boats better than just about anybody else. I think he would be stubborn about FFS (and I can’t say I would blame him). This is a bipartisan pick. Give Eisenhower a giant swimbait and I think he fishes it more patiently and methodically than just about anybody in this thread.

George Bush Sr was a bass fisherman and friends with Ray Scott. Bush stood on the weigh in stage alongside Governor Bill Clinton at the 1984 classic

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=1984+bassmast ... rf6XrnSDG4

[JVGondal]

The tide is turning
Even in CA. We voted for America not a man