Chatterbait Definition

[CBS]

Been wondering what really defines/separates Chatterbait from bladed vibrating jigs. Years ago when bait manufacturers were making their versions invariably they would get some sort of cease and desist letter from the bait originators attorneys. Now it seems like everyone is back making vibe baits. Is the use of a split ring joining the jig to the blade versus the jig eye directly connected to blade what distinguishes a Chatter Bait from a vibrating jig.
Just wondering....

[ash]

Is the use of a split ring joining the jig to the blade versus the jig eye directly connected to blade what distinguishes a Chatter Bait from a vibrating jig.

"Chatterbait" is a brand name, like Kleenex is to tissues. My understanding is that the patent enforcement is the blade being direct to the jig eye. The only other company that pays Zman to use this patent is Strike King - Thunder cricket and even they had to change the blade design style as part of the agreement.

All other sellers of bladed jigs are using split rings or hyper wire. you can typically find small custom bait makers that will make them for you, but they wont advertise or sell them to the public, unless its Jigs

I think there is a stark difference in how quickly the baits action recovers with the direct tie and for the most part that is all i throw be it a zmans chatterbait or a blackmarket bait maker

[jiggin4bass]

I have first hand knowledge from the CEO of Zman Daniel Nussbaum as we have talk on the phone. Chatter bait is a trade mark name and cant be used on other baits that
are being built. We discussed both open eye and split ring baits. Mr. Nussbaum told me as long as you dont market your lures under the chatter bait name you can built and fish them with out a split ring attached between the head and the blade.
Its very simple if you built your baits open eye dont sell them to the public or open market.
I have open eye molds in 3/8oz & 1/2oz
Blade baits

[jiggin4bass]

Ash you have proof I've sold any

[CBS]

Thanks guys that's what I figured. I used to get my vibe baits from Phoenix which were unreal. Then they got schooled and now incorporate the split ring, different action.

[jiggin4bass]

Open eye blade bait heads

Also if you have a sparkie head mold by do-it molds and open eye wire and wire keepers you can make them yourself
You tube has videos on how to make them

Ash Im still waiting on that letter from Zman by the way.

[Whoopbass]

Open or closed eye it doesn't matter, build them how you want. Just don't build them like theirs and attempt to sell them.

[jiggin4bass]

As long as the blade is not attached too the body itself you can buy them if you dont make them yourself. Its not bad
advise its just common since. There no
intent what so ever.

[jiggin4bass]

CBS I don't give advice but you can build your own blade baits and fish them with the blade fixed to the eye of the bait dont let anybody tell you otherwise.
Making your own Blade Baits
Do-it Sparkie head mold
JKS-1080A 1/4oz. 3/8oz. 1/2 oz Used
Wire forms WB 400 & STW 130
(Ali express)
Hooks Straight shank
Mustard Black Nickel spinner bait hooks
32608N 3/0 4/0 5/0 (Barlow's)
Duo lock snaps (Barlow's)
Blades ( Ali express )
Powder paint from CSI Inc.
Silicone skirt material Skirts plus, Living Rubber company, Barlow's, Jann's Netcraft
Fish skirts Lure parts on line.
All good outlets to buy products.
Coats & Clark Upholstery thread 135 m
For tying skirt on body's .

For you own personal use

[CBS]

Thanks Jigs and good looking baits by the way.

[jiggin4bass]

Thank you CBS
I just try to keep it simple when building all my baits.

[WRB]

The blade coffin shape is also a patent claim. Patents have a life limited to 17 years from disclosure in 2007. Trade names don’t expire.
Tom

[jiggin4bass]

You see a hand full of people that post in here try to discourage people from building better blade baits for a third of the price some of these companies charge. I can make four 3/8oz or 1/2oz blade baits for what zman charges for one of there baits.
1/2 oz blade body 5/0 black nickel hook mustad
Blade
Snap
2 silicone skirts
Powder paint
4 " Hollow body trailer
Just attach the blade too the eyelet and go fishing forget what some people tell you. And the chatter bait police wont show up at the ramp to cuff you and take you in either.
P.S. watch out for that Jigs guy he evil.

[pd]

I do love all my old Phenix ones. Having picked up and fished a handful of the very expensive Jackhammers I’d say very little difference.

[ash]

Ash you have proof I've sold any

As much proof as I have that you have caught a fish

[drew]

Utility patent is 20yrs from the filing date and a design patent is 15yrs. Most likely Z has a utility based on the connection and a design for the coffin bill. I do believe there is prior art on the coffin bill which leads me to believe there is no individual patent on the bill shape.

The blade coffin shape is also a patent claim. Patents have a life limited to 17 years from disclosure in 2007. Trade names don’t expire.
Tom

[jiggin4bass]

I got coffin blade from ali express there not that good of a blade. I give them away
They were that bad.

[WRB]

Utility patent is 20yrs from the filing date and a design patent is 15yrs. Most likely Z has a utility based on the connection and a design for the coffin bill. I do believe there is prior art on the coffin bill which leads me to believe there is no individual patent on the bill shape.

The blade coffin shape is also a patent claim. Patents have a life limited to 17 years from disclosure in 2007. Trade names don’t expire.
Tom

I have USA 8 design patents and familiar with the process, 17 years from date of issue unless it’s changed recently. When you file for a patent or offer it to the public that is disclosure and begins the 20 year clock ticking. All prior art must be reviewed and claims supported, modified or deleted, this in included in patent file wrapper. Few patents cover all the initial claims.
Additional annual fees and any foreign patents, infringements lawsuits are all costly for that reason fishing lure patents are rare.
Tom

[jiggin4bass]

Don't let the boogie zman get ya

[drew]

I have many patents, and I assure I am correct. The process starts from the filing date. Design patents are for artistic or aesthetic value. Utility patents are for the mechanical function. I have both but more of the utility. Design patents do not have maintenance fees.

Utility patent is 20yrs from the filing date and a design patent is 15yrs. Most likely Z has a utility based on the connection and a design for the coffin bill. I do believe there is prior art on the coffin bill which leads me to believe there is no individual patent on the bill shape.

The blade coffin shape is also a patent claim. Patents have a life limited to 17 years from disclosure in 2007. Trade names don’t expire.
Tom

I have USA 8 design patents and familiar with the process, 17 years from date of issue unless it’s changed recently. When you file for a patent or offer it to the public that is disclosure and begins the 20 year clock ticking. All prior art must be reviewed and claims supported, modified or deleted, this in included in patent file wrapper. Few patents cover all the initial claims.
Additional annual fees and any foreign patents, infringements lawsuits are all costly for that reason fishing lure patents are rare.
Tom

[jiggin4bass]

Ali express

[jiggin4bass]

CBS Send me your address ill send you four blade baits two 3/8oz. two 1/2oz.
Blades will be attached.
Jigs is good friend of mine

[WRB]

I have many patents, and I assure I am correct. The process starts from the filing date. Design patents are for artistic or aesthetic value. Utility patents are for the mechanical function. I have both but more of the utility. Design patents do not have maintenance fees.

Utility patent is 20yrs from the filing date and a design patent is 15yrs. Most likely Z has a utility based on the connection and a design for the coffin bill. I do believe there is prior art on the coffin bill which leads me to believe there is no individual patent on the bill shape.

I have USA 8 design patents and familiar with the process, 17 years from date of issue unless it’s changed recently. When you file for a patent or offer it to the public that is disclosure and begins the 20 year clock ticking. All prior art must be reviewed and claims supported, modified or deleted, this in included in patent file wrapper. Few patents cover all the initial claims.
Additional annual fees and any foreign patents, infringements lawsuits are all costly for that reason fishing lure patents are rare.
Tom

Correct mine would be considered utility patents under that definition.
Tom

[Dave Brabec]

Been wondering what really defines/separates Chatterbait from bladed vibrating jigs. Years ago when bait manufacturers were making their versions invariably they would get some sort of cease and desist letter from the bait originators attorneys. Now it seems like everyone is back making vibe baits. Is the use of a split ring joining the jig to the blade versus the jig eye directly connected to blade what distinguishes a Chatter Bait from a vibrating jig.
Just wondering....

When someone asks what you are catching them on They usually don’t ask brands when you say chatterbait. They all are chatterbaits. Went through the cease and desist crap in the store and D and M had to start selling just parts and Jackhammer took over the market.

[jiggin4bass]

Just Parts

[ash]

Been wondering what really defines/separates Chatterbait from bladed vibrating jigs. Years ago when bait manufacturers were making their versions invariably they would get some sort of cease and desist letter from the bait originators attorneys. Now it seems like everyone is back making vibe baits. Is the use of a split ring joining the jig to the blade versus the jig eye directly connected to blade what distinguishes a Chatter Bait from a vibrating jig.
Just wondering....

When someone asks what you are catching them on They usually don’t ask brands when you say chatterbait. They all are chatterbaits. Went through the cease and desist crap in the store and D and M had to start selling just parts and Jackhammer took over the market.

Dale is a great guy, always took care of me and supported youth programs. I was bummed when he sold the business and went full time on his burrows.

[jiggin4bass]

Been there done that christian bass fishing club and youth camp put on a weekend fishing derby at Collins lake in the summer once a year back in the late 90s and early 2000. I sat up and area and we showed the kids and the parents each step from pouring jig head to painting
Epoxy paint to firing the heads to cure and then each step on how to tie with round rubber material and silicone material we also showed how we assembled the blades spacers and beads on the spinnerbaits. We also built buzzbaits. The kids got to tie there own jigs. at three of the stations we had sat up. All the kids got jigs and trailers after to fish on both sat and sunday. Good times back then I still have
the certificates with group pictures with the kids and stuff and boaters that participated.
Some great times.