Social Distancing... NOT

nivanov30 · Post by **nivanov30** » Fri Apr 10, 2020 3:25 pm

Spent 4 hours on the delta this morning (brutal - couldn't get bit). What was more worrying is the number of morons violating the basic social distancing. Just a few examples of what I've seen just driving past either on the water or in the parking lot:
1. Many, many bass boats with 2 or sometimes 3 dudes pretty much guaranteed not brothers or relatives (i.e. not from the same household).
2. Wake boats with a couple of dudes plus 1 or 2 females (no kids).
3. Two cars parked on the bank and two (!) families fishing from the bank together (kids running around, etc.)
4. A truck parked on the parking lot and a family and their grandparents socialising together (as if they just met accidentally) - total like 8 people.

Idiots like this will force officials to close down delta for good and I frankly would support it... How hard it is to realize that you may be infected and exhibit ZERO symptoms but the next person who you will infect will die slow, horrible death watching yourself slowly suffocating on the ventilator.

In other time I would cheer these "folks" as a byproduct of the Darwin evolution but unfortunately, they can survive while killing other innocent people...

JL · Post by JL » Fri Apr 10, 2020 3:59 pm

Agreed ! You are a WISE man!

Jboutfishn · Post by **Jboutfishn** » Fri Apr 10, 2020 4:30 pm

Parking for my favorite launch ramp on Shasta was 99% full. Saw a boat with three people, related not likely. I returned home. With most lakes closed, Shasta is busy.

birdman920 · Post by **birdman920** » Fri Apr 10, 2020 4:36 pm

Walked around the block ‘ yesterday (solo, face covering on), to get a little exercise “ passed a house with 4 dudes , on the front deck ,elbows to a-holes, pounding beers”, as I passed ‘ 1 dude starts a fake “ coughing episode, directed to me ‘as I go by ! .... what a class act !....

Holifield68 · Post by **Holifield68** » Fri Apr 10, 2020 5:57 pm

Launch this morning was busy but mostly solo boaters. Bite sucked for short time I was out.
Got off the water before the wake boat crowd woke up.

Thinking this weekend will be a **** show.

Whoopbass · Post by **Whoopbass** » Fri Apr 10, 2020 5:59 pm

The gubment ain't gonna do squat from here on out. They know that this was blown way out of proportion and they're smart enough to know that they need to tread lightly from now on. It was real easy to enact stay at home orders when the weather was crap. Now that the sun is out people are going to get back to their normal routines. I would love for this state to order us to hunker down and stay inside when its 90-100 degrees out. Even the biggest pansy government supporters are going to revolt. Maybe we would get some change if they tried.

J Gondal · Post by **J Gondal** » Fri Apr 10, 2020 6:56 pm

I hope we beat the virus soon.

jaime7819 · Post by **jaime7819** » Fri Apr 10, 2020 8:38 pm

Whoopbass wrote:The gubment ain't gonna do squat from here on out. They know that this was blown way out of proportion and they're smart enough to know that they need to tread lightly from now on. It was real easy to enact stay at home orders when the weather was crap. Now that the sun is out people are going to get back to their normal routines. I would love for this state to order us to hunker down and stay inside when its 90-100 degrees out. Even the biggest pansy government supporters are going to revolt. Maybe we would get some change if they tried.

True....

cdevette · Post by **cdevette** » Fri Apr 10, 2020 10:44 pm

From the CDC website...CDC estimates that the burden of illness during the 2017–2018 season was high with an estimated 45 million people getting sick with influenza, 21 million people going to a health care provider, 810,000 hospitalizations, and 61,000 deaths from influenza

When are people going to stop drinking the kool-aid..this was a government made up issue. 17-18 was way worse. I didn't see the knuckle heads in Washington and CA do anything back then. I'm tired of the government ruining good businesses and make people depend on handouts for survival.
Yes I get it... We should stay away from people that are at risk ..but shouldn't we always when your sick..come on people...wake up.
Down off my soapbox now...sorry just tired of the BS

d75bender · Post by **d75bender** » Fri Apr 10, 2020 11:12 pm

And you realize the regular flu kills aprox 30,000 Americans every year and aprox 60,000 per year die from pneumonia. So where's the concern for that? Fishing or boating isn't the issue that's going to keep the Corona going. Any of you go to any grocery store recently? There's way more people there that are indoors closer to each other than outside at the busiest boat ramp. Come on.

Dave Brabec · Post by **Dave Brabec** » Sat Apr 11, 2020 5:23 am

Tell that to the families that have lost 20,000 people in one month in US

marinerfandave · Post by **marinerfandave** » Sat Apr 11, 2020 6:18 am

Really what it boils down to is a roll of the dice and personally I'd rather live to fish another day. I am going nuts at home, working from home, having my grown son and his wife staying with us for six weeks because they couldn't get back due to a closed border overseas, yeah I get it. And I want to go fishing really bad, but I'm not going to, I will enjoy it much more when this all passes. And will definitely APPRECIATE what we have more and has only been temporarily taken away.

Addicted Fisherman · Post by **Addicted Fisherman** » Sat Apr 11, 2020 6:43 am

Imagine what the Covid numbers would be without social distancing. We’ve been at it for three weeks, and some people working from home before that. The President is telling us how serious this is, and people still don’t listen. Then, when someone close to you gets it, and passes, will the fishing be worth it?

birdman920 · Post by **birdman920** » Sat Apr 11, 2020 7:53 am

No matter what the numbers would be “ with or without social distancing “ the media is to blame for the panic that is going around ! it’s all doom & gloom ‘ it you watch national news !, they are solely after ratings ! & will spew all kinds of lies & fakes news ‘ to get what they want !...

Addicted Fisherman · Post by **Addicted Fisherman** » Sat Apr 11, 2020 9:29 am

So, is our President controlled by the media? He put the social distancing
orders in place.

jaime7819 · Post by **jaime7819** » Sat Apr 11, 2020 9:38 am

Trump is not controlled by the media. But like any human being, he considers the media's reaction to all his decision making. So, in away, it effects his decision making. Remember, elections are in November and you dont want to be the Governor, President, in large populated states, etc that under reacts cuz the media will jump all over you. There is just soo many variable to what is going on right now.
In a positive note, gas is down!

MasterBassinator · Post by **MasterBassinator** » Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:54 am

d75bender wrote:And you realize the regular flu kills aprox 30,000 Americans every year and aprox 60,000 per year die from pneumonia. So where's the concern for that? Fishing or boating isn't the issue that's going to keep the Corona going. Any of you go to any grocery store recently? There's way more people there that are indoors closer to each other than outside at the busiest boat ramp. Come on.

Kills 30,000 Americans with treatments available and no social distancing or shelter in place. There's no treatment for COVID-19, people have been ordered to stay inside, school is out, and it has still killed 20k in the US and counting in just 1 month. Usually flu season lasts 3 months at the very least.

marinerfandave · Post by **marinerfandave** » Sat Apr 11, 2020 11:25 am

Ok, here is some fake news if you want it, New York City is bringing in refrigerated trucks to keep the bodies somewhere until they have a place to bury them.

Drakestar · Post by **Drakestar** » Sat Apr 11, 2020 12:36 pm

MasterBassinator wrote:
d75bender wrote:And you realize the regular flu kills aprox 30,000 Americans every year and aprox 60,000 per year die from pneumonia. So where's the concern for that? Fishing or boating isn't the issue that's going to keep the Corona going. Any of you go to any grocery store recently? There's way more people there that are indoors closer to each other than outside at the busiest boat ramp. Come on.
Kills 30,000 Americans with treatments available and no social distancing or shelter in place. There's no treatment for COVID-19, people have been ordered to stay inside, school is out, and it has still killed 20k in the US and counting in just 1 month. Usually flu season lasts 3 months at the very least.

With topics like these, numbers are always inflated to make a point, and it's important to keep facts straight.

1) Influenza and pneumonia combined kill around 57k Americans every year, not 90k. That's with available treatments, vaccinations etc., and it happens across the entire year (with less cases in the warm months).
2) That means that flu + pneumonia kill ~157 Americans per day.
3) COVID-19 currently kills ~2000 Americans every day. That's WITH social distancing measures in effect. Deaths could (and demonstrably WOULD) be way higher without the measures.
4) Approx. 57K Americans will still die from influenza & pneumonia this year on top of COVID-19.
5) The flu does not have the ability to overwhelm our healthcare system like COVID-19 demonstrably does (and has).
6) When hospitals ARE overwhelmed, other deaths (like those from the flu) will go up, as well - instead of 57k cases, the number could be way higher.
7) We're still in the middle of all of this. COVID-19 deaths will increase, and the final number is still projected to surpass flu deaths. Projections are important, not current numbers.

If the projections don't come to pass, it will be because of social distancing measures that were taken (meaning that the sacrifices everybody is currently making worked!), not because the threat itself was overhyped.

Whether people will, in hindsight, accept that these measures were necessary depends a lot on whether we keep our facts straight or not, and (in a way) honor the sacrifices that everybody is making right now. IMO a good historic comparison is Y2K: there was a lot of media coverage about how badly things could have gone wrong back then. In some corners of the net there seems to be an accepted truth that all of this was media hysteria because ultimately, not much did go wrong. That is a huge misconception: I know for a fact (it's a bit in my wheelhouse) that nothing went wrong ONLY because of a HUGE effort was made that prevented things from going wrong in the first place.
So: a threat with possibly disastrous consequences was identified and people worked (a lot!) to prevent it. The media reported on the threat (sometimes in sensationalist ways, but always rooted in reality), and in the end everything worked out. But, because all of that was invisible to the genera public, there are still people today that will tell us that the media created hysteria and blew everything out of proportion, even when that's objectively not true.

Let's make sure a similar myth doesn't take hold about the current pandemic.

J Gondal · Post by **J Gondal** » Sat Apr 11, 2020 1:01 pm

Covid 19 kills 2,000 Americans every day??
For being so factual I think you might need to check on that one
SMH

Lipripper1978 · Post by **Lipripper1978** » Sat Apr 11, 2020 1:44 pm

Approximately 1500 fatalities yesterday. Yes, COVID is no joke. BUT...

The whole situation is highly nuanced. As of now, this is an East Coast thing. We’ve got counties in this state that are not feeling this at all. Mariposa county has 0 cases. Is that right?

My opinion is that lakes need to be opened up on a county-by-county basis starting May 1st, if not before. And why in the heck can’t we just get a simple directive like, if you want to fish, one person on a boat with the exception of family members. Gold belt lakes like McClure, Melones, Pedro all need to reopen with some simple precautions, at the very least.

It’s ironic that the one place closest to danger in Cali is actually still open (Delta).

Man, I’d rather be fishing right now than posting!

Addicted Fisherman · Post by **Addicted Fisherman** » Sat Apr 11, 2020 1:54 pm

Where do you get your information J Gondal? An average of 1900 people have died the last 5 days, each day. So, yes the numbers are correct.

sdavis24 · Post by **sdavis24** » Sat Apr 11, 2020 2:23 pm

These four idiots got within casting distance of me today. Weightless soft plastic casting distance....

Drakestar · Post by **Drakestar** » Sat Apr 11, 2020 2:24 pm

J Gondal wrote:Covid 19 kills 2,000 Americans every day??
For being so factual I think you might need to check on that one
SMH

COVID-19 deaths/day in the US for the last week: 2108, 1783, 1973, 1939, 1164, 1212, 1320. Those data are publicly available, not a big secret or anything.

I agree with LipRipper1978 that the underlying story is nuanced because a lot of deaths are coming from NY right now, but NY also serves as a warning of what could happen elsewhere and shows how CA’s health order has been working well.

CA is better off (deaths for the last three days: 39, 49, 63, CA deaths/1million is 14.8 deaths vs NY’s 404(!)). Which is why I’m not a fan of blanket closures. But... the threat is real, and more importantly: how badly this could escalate is real. So that’s what I think everybody needs to understand.

J Gondal · Post by **J Gondal** » Sat Apr 11, 2020 2:56 pm

20,000 total across the USA so far.
That’s the number I heard more than once in last couple days. Maybe I got it all wrong but I think the virus has been here more than 10 days

20,000 too many.
Just hunker down and be safe when we do go out

Drakestar · Post by **Drakestar** » Sat Apr 11, 2020 2:58 pm

Another way of looking at the CA numbers alone and to put them in context: on average, flu & pneumonia kill 157 Americans per day. Let’s cut out 6 months to account for flu season, so that’s 314/day during flu season. CA has ~11% of America’s population, which gives us approx. 33 flu deaths/day in CA. Over the last three days, 50 Californians died from COVID-19 every day on average. That’s a higher rate than flu, and that’s WITH the draconian social distancing rules and closures we have had in place, which severely cut down on the virus’ spread.

You can imagine how much worse it would have been without.

Drakestar · Post by **Drakestar** » Sat Apr 11, 2020 3:02 pm

J Gondal wrote:20,000 total across the USA so far.
That’s the number I heard more than once in last couple days.
20,000 too many.

Amen to that! And 60% of those 20k happened over the last week alone, which gives us a good idea of how quickly this thing is spreading/accelerating, and how terribly it could spiral out of control

Joe daddy · Post by **Joe daddy** » Sat Apr 11, 2020 3:49 pm

Sarge had some comments on that failed meeting the other day. I thought they were worth sharing. “Californian fisherman were pissed and vocal about it. It made a difference for now anyway. Proud of Cali for once.”
I’m seeing a lot of stuff coming out about Californians might have a herd immunity. That the virus might of got here earlier than people think. I myself know of a bunch of people that were sicker than snot in December and January. I hope this is true and we are on the downside of this virus. Far as social distancing thing think we are getting a C for California. There is more ignorant/arrogant people out than ever. Stanford doctors said there is something to this with our high population and we are not getting sick like we should be. I wrote down the projected peak for California was supposed to be April 26. My buddy said they changed it to today? How could they be 2-3 weeks off? Don’t know if that’s true or not. It’s a lot to digest and I’m tired of being force fed bs.
Anyways thought Californians were supposed to be soft. Turns out we might be pretty stout after all. Stay healthy and safe.

T.Adams · Post by **T.Adams** » Sat Apr 11, 2020 4:30 pm

I for one love to fish as much, if not more than the average person. I have been out, by myself, and from a VERY low number launch area. I believe the risk is real. Ask someone who lost a family member. Death is death, no matter how you get there. Look around at the people you love and pick one or two and imagine life with out them. It is forever. Why risk lives for a reasonably short duration. We, as Americans are spoiled and forget quickly, myself included. We whine about not getting our way for 2-3 months. Really? People have been through much worse for years at a time. Wars, famine, depression. Toughen up and do what’s right to get us through this without putting others at risk. We live in the best country on the face of the earth. Stick together and support the need. Just like 911, nineteen years ago. Remember? Thousands lost fathers, husbands, wives, children, mothers or siblings. They haven’t forgotten. Do you think they would have sacrificed a few months to be able to spend time with those lost? I guarantee they would.

God bless America.

JL · Post by JL » Sat Apr 11, 2020 5:12 pm

T.Adams wrote:I for one love to fish as much, if not more than the average person. I have been out, by myself, and from a VERY low number launch area. I believe the risk is real. Ask someone who lost a family member. Death is death, no matter how you get there. Look around at the people you love and pick one or two and imagine life with out them. It is forever. Why risk lives for a reasonably short duration. We, as Americans are spoiled and forget quickly, myself included. We whine about not getting our way for 2-3 months. Really? People have been through much worse for years at a time. Wars, famine, depression. Toughen up and do what’s right to get us through this without putting others at risk. We live in the best country on the face of the earth. Stick together and support the need. Just like 911, nineteen years ago. Remember? Thousands lost fathers, husbands, wives, children, mothers or siblings. They haven’t forgotten. Do you think they would have sacrificed a few months to be able to spend time with those lost? I guarantee they would.

God bless America.

Thank you! Well spoken and from the heart!

Addicted Fisherman · Post by **Addicted Fisherman** » Sat Apr 11, 2020 5:57 pm

I know one thing, when this is over, and Trump tells us it’s time, I think we need a Westernbass Forum fish off. Stay safe, and God Bless America!

Larry Hemphill · Post by **Larry Hemphill** » Sat Apr 11, 2020 7:10 pm

Hard to compare this virus with 9-11. The attack on the trade center buildings was an act of war, planned by humans, in full view of everyone who watched the videos after. We could see the enemy - giant airplanes.

Can't see the virus, and, it is a much slower process. Travels unseen.

biteme · Post by **biteme** » Sun Apr 12, 2020 7:49 am

Went out yesterday here in NV. Saw a lot of CA plates at the ramp. I'm normally the only bass boat on this lake. I counted 12 yesterday.
Tons of people on the bank. During my eight hrs on the water I didn't see one person break the rules.

Everyone on the bank was at least 100 yards away from the next person. Most I saw in a boat was 3 people. My dad and I were shocked. We thought we'd see a bunch of moron's but everyone played by the rules. Nice to see. We'll be back this week. So nich to be on the water again with 70 degree weather.

birdman920 · Post by **birdman920** » Sun Apr 12, 2020 7:54 am

I still see groups of people “ out & about ! like they haven’t even heard the shelter in place order ?.....it’s gonna be a long year !...

biteme · Post by **biteme** » Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:15 am

birdman920 wrote:I still see groups of people “ out & about ! like they haven’t even heard the shelter in place order ?.....it’s gonna be a long year !...

Meh people won't put up with this much longer. Just my opinion. People want to go back to work,, they're losing it all and suicide rates are way up. My county is trying to figure out how to get the suicide rates down.

No matter how you look at it. We can't stay shut down for months. They're now saying it was in CA in December. Death rates from the flu are higher. They're also counting a lot of deaths as the virus. Hospitals get paid by the feds if someone has the virus. Now everyone has the virus lol.
Have you seen the videos from hospital staff dancing? There a bunch out there and it not some random dance. The groups practiced it for the videos.
People are seeing this and it's making them think, I thought these were war zones. Yet they have all this time to make up dance moves?
Hard to tell the public to stay home when they see these videos.

biteme · Post by **biteme** » Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:22 am

https://www.instagram.com/p/B-1Lo12polS ... _copy_link

Drakestar · Post by **Drakestar** » Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:07 am

biteme wrote:
birdman920 wrote:I still see groups of people “ out & about ! like they haven’t even heard the shelter in place order ?.....it’s gonna be a long year !...
No matter how you look at it. We can't stay shut down for months. They're now saying it was in CA in December. Death rates from the flu are higher.

It’s honestly discouraging to see false quotes like this when the math of how much more deadly this virus is (compared to the flu, and WITH social distancing rules in place), is a few posts above in the same thread. I hope you’ll take a look.

The idea that the virus was in CA in December (and that CA has some measure of herd immunity) has been debunked. I hope you will read up on the story because I think it’s an effort that should be offensive to all of us: it was a far-right wing effort to discredit CA’s health orders - other parts of the country looked at our low death rates and, rather than admitting that CA might have done something right, instead tried to frame it as “well, they didn’t do anything correct, they just got lucky because the virus arrived early and nobody noticed!” All of that was tied to tenuous and easily misrepresented data from a contested Stanford study. (It’s also simply impossible to believe that CA had more international travel than NYC! And that, while NYC was pushed to the brink as the virus spread like wildfire, Californians are so special that nothing noticeable happened here and we just all got immunity.)

My statement may sound political, and I hope it doesn’t lead to another thread escalating and possibly being shut down. Personally I just find it offensive to us (= all of California, regardless of political affiliation) that people would rather discredit our collective sacrifices (which this lockdown is, I think we can all agree on that) than admit that they might have worked.

I feel that the dancing healthcare workers video is in bad taste. But I doubt that it proves false the fact that lots of hospitals in the US have already been overwhelmed (and those videos from the inside exist, as well, and are heartbreaking to watch.)

biteme · Post by **biteme** » Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:41 am

Drakestar wrote:
biteme wrote:
birdman920 wrote:I still see groups of people “ out & about ! like they haven’t even heard the shelter in place order ?.....it’s gonna be a long year !...
No matter how you look at it. We can't stay shut down for months. They're now saying it was in CA in December. Death rates from the flu are higher.
It’s honestly discouraging to see false quotes like this when the math of how much more deadly this virus is (compared to the flu, and WITH social distancing rules in place), is a few posts above in the same thread. I hope you’ll take a look.

The idea that the virus was in CA in December (and that CA has some measure of herd immunity) has been debunked. I hope you will read up on the story because I think it’s an effort that should be offensive to all of us: it was a far-right wing effort to discredit CA’s health orders - other parts of the country looked at our low death rates and, rather than admitting that CA might have done something right, instead tried to frame it as “well, they didn’t do anything correct, they just got lucky because the virus arrived early and nobody noticed!” All of that was tied to tenuous and easily misrepresented data from a contested Stanford study. (It’s also simply impossible to believe that CA had more international travel than NYC! And that, while NYC was pushed to the brink as the virus spread like wildfire, Californians are so special that nothing noticeable happened here and we just all got immunity.)

My statement may sound political, and I hope it doesn’t lead to another thread escalating and possibly being shut down. Personally I just find it offensive to us (= all of California, regardless of political affiliation) that people would rather discredit our collective sacrifices (which this lockdown is, I think we can all agree on that) than admit that they might have worked.

I feel that the dancing healthcare workers video is in bad taste. But I doubt that it proves false the fact that lots of hospitals in the US have already been overwhelmed (and those videos from the inside exist, as well, and are heartbreaking to watch.)

I'm not going to argue with you. But I will say my spine surgeon is more than pissed that he can't perform surgery on me right now. He said the hospital is completely empty. He's in Sacramento.

biteme · Post by **biteme** » Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:42 am

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latime ... f_amp=true

biteme · Post by **biteme** » Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:44 am

Some good info from the doctor

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTr ... page%3D361

Drakestar · Post by **Drakestar** » Sun Apr 12, 2020 10:01 am

The February dates in that article match with what (from what I understand) could be possible. December is a whole different beast, and I know there's a conspiracy theory that places it in December and is used to promote the idea that CA has some kind of herd immunity and that that's the real reason we're doing well. Sorry for jumping on the issue and if I did so too harshly. That conspiracy theory triggers me precisely because it is so disrespectful to *everybody* in CA.

I'll always yield to Dr Fauci on all information, he's way more knowledgeable than me. I also like how accountable he's been on everything. I just watched the whole video, and I hope (I don't think?) it discredits any of the information I've been trying to share.

Sorry to hear about your postponed surgery. I agree that that looks like BS, and I'm generally skeptical on blanket orders and blanket bans that rope in unaffected areas, businesses etc. (Which is a reason I don't like the blanket closure of fisheries, either - they closed all reservoirs where I live - bank fishing included! - even though it doesn't make any sense cause it's the perfect way to do some social distancing.) It's just all greyscale, and (very broadly speaking) CA has a tendency to do these blanket things rather than treating issues on a case-by-case basis.

J Gondal · Post by **J Gondal** » Sun Apr 12, 2020 10:45 am

Dr Fauci Should stop. He’s higher than a kite on power. Same with the others. The leaders from both sides of the county East and west said not to fear the Coronavirus and went to China towns to tell us come out and enjoy. It’s perfectly safe.
This was late January if I recall. Pelosi ate in SF China town and had it on the media.
Why? To attack the president. Its racist to stop travel from China.
Few weeks back she went 180 and said the entire country should be shut down as there were just a few states still open. Some states have no sign of the virus there. Why? Because she recognized the power the virus suddenly gave her.
They are putting the same rule on all of us as not to hurt anyone’s feelings. Political correctness at its finest.
The governor said he is passionate about fishing and will not close fishing. Only a possible postponement of the trout opener in certain areas.
Mean while all the lake were closed before he said any of that
Read between the LIES
Our vote counts. Oh wait he tried so some how say our vote won’t count if it’s for Trump
Power trip

Robb R · Post by **Robb R** » Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:15 pm

To say that more people travelled from China to New York VS . China to Bay Area to inaccurate .
I am in technology in Silicon Valley , for 35 years ---- huge amounts of travel from/to China and Silicon Valley every single day --- in huge numbers . Not to mention that people wanted to get in/out of China before Chinese New Year shut down their economy for 10 days . If any location would have gotten this first --- it would be the Bay Area .
They are also claiming most of the people getting sick in New York can be directly traced to European travellers .
Is it possible that Bay Area had it in US first --- YES , was in all the way back to December ? ---only testing will determine that .
Tell my why Dr's are now supposed to report " influenza " as the cause of death VS . "respiratory illness" , or "congestive heart failure " which is normal practice ? Its because of the dollars from the stimulus .
If a hospital can claim a patient has COVID -19 , they get $19K , if they used a ventilator it's $39K
I believe this virus is serious ,but I also believe we are not being told the entire truth .

biteme · Post by **biteme** » Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:19 pm

Robb R wrote:To say that more people travelled from China to New York VS . China to Bay Area to inaccurate .
I am in technology in Silicon Valley , for 35 years ---- huge amounts of travel from/to China and Silicon Valley every single day --- in huge numbers . Not to mention that people wanted to get in/out of China before Chinese New Year shut down their economy for 10 days . If any location would have gotten this first --- it would be the Bay Area .
They are also claiming most of the people getting sick in New York can be directly traced to European travellers .
Is it possible that Bay Area had it in US first --- YES , was in all the way back to December ? ---only testing will determine that .
Tell my why Dr's are now supposed to report " influenza " as the cause of death VS . "respiratory illness" , or "congestive heart failure " which is normal practice ? Its because of the dollars from the stimulus .
If a hospital can claim a patient has COVID -19 , they get $19K , if they used a ventilator it's $39K
I believe this virus is serious ,but I also believe we are not being told the entire truth .

When I heard the feds would pay the hospital bills if they had COVID my first thought was here we go.

You know what comes next. The virus is real for sure. But IMO the numbers are all over the map because of this new policy.

mark poulson · Post by **mark poulson** » Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:56 pm

T.Adams wrote:I for one love to fish as much, if not more than the average person. I have been out, by myself, and from a VERY low number launch area. I believe the risk is real. Ask someone who lost a family member. Death is death, no matter how you get there. Look around at the people you love and pick one or two and imagine life with out them. It is forever. Why risk lives for a reasonably short duration. We, as Americans are spoiled and forget quickly, myself included. We whine about not getting our way for 2-3 months. Really? People have been through much worse for years at a time. Wars, famine, depression. Toughen up and do what’s right to get us through this without putting others at risk. We live in the best country on the face of the earth. Stick together and support the need. Just like 911, nineteen years ago. Remember? Thousands lost fathers, husbands, wives, children, mothers or siblings. They haven’t forgotten. Do you think they would have sacrificed a few months to be able to spend time with those lost? I guarantee they would.

God bless America.

This is still the bottom line. Are we more important than everyone else?

biteme · Post by **biteme** » Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:08 pm

mark poulson wrote:
T.Adams wrote:I for one love to fish as much, if not more than the average person. I have been out, by myself, and from a VERY low number launch area. I believe the risk is real. Ask someone who lost a family member. Death is death, no matter how you get there. Look around at the people you love and pick one or two and imagine life with out them. It is forever. Why risk lives for a reasonably short duration. We, as Americans are spoiled and forget quickly, myself included. We whine about not getting our way for 2-3 months. Really? People have been through much worse for years at a time. Wars, famine, depression. Toughen up and do what’s right to get us through this without putting others at risk. We live in the best country on the face of the earth. Stick together and support the need. Just like 911, nineteen years ago. Remember? Thousands lost fathers, husbands, wives, children, mothers or siblings. They haven’t forgotten. Do you think they would have sacrificed a few months to be able to spend time with those lost? I guarantee they would.

God bless America.
This is still the bottom line. Are we more important than everyone else?

You have to use some sense here and ask yourself, when they lift the lockdown and we don't have a vax what's going to happen?
How long do you think these states can stay a float being closed down?
So how long do you want to stay down for?

biteme · Post by **biteme** » Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:11 pm

I've said enough here. I'll do what I can while my state allows it. Good luck anyone.

jimmyG · Post by **jimmyG** » Sun Apr 12, 2020 2:14 pm

Well on a brighter note......Happy Easter everyone...the sun is out

BigBassDaddy1190 · Post by **BigBassDaddy1190** » Sun Apr 12, 2020 3:14 pm

Open it up. The strong will survive.

J Gondal · Post by **J Gondal** » Sun Apr 12, 2020 3:16 pm

biteme wrote:I've said enough here. I'll do what I can while my state allows it. Good luck anyone.

I agree. When I ask real questions like

How can you believe a state that says I will not close fishing but only postpone trout season
When all the lakes are ALREADY closed?

All I hear is crickets. Face the facts.
Don’t read between the lines
Read between the LIES!

Peace out naive friends

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