Payout on R2S tourney question

[Roscoe]

I was just curious how a 100% payback tourney that would of collected 34k with a field of 170 boats at 200$ per boat only pays back 23k to the top 25 boats? Does some of the money go towards the raffle prizes? I kinda figured the working staff probably gets paid which is only right and fees for launching site but I was thinking if you place 15th in a big field that you should get more than 200$. If some of the money does go towards raffle prizes I'd say forget the raffle and put that $ in the pot. Not only that I'm sure you had to buy the raffle tickets so I'm just kinda confused where a decent amount of the $ goes if it's a 100% payback? I watch the progressive bass wrap up show every weekend and their top finishers are cashing a lot bigger checks. Also just curious if they do a lie detector test for such a large turnout and decent size cash prize? I'm not a big tourney fisherman mainly cause it's not worth it cause if you finish out of the top 5 all your winning back is gas money and that's not worth it for me. I'm not trying to stir up anything, my buddy at work was just giving me a hard time saying the tourneys out here are weak in their payouts and I was disagreeing but when we sat down and went over it all I kinda now side with him. No wonder I guess why some top sticks from Cali move back east. I do appreciate all the hard work that the staff and others involved put in to give us the opprutunity to compete.

[Levy]

Roscoe, you should have read the rules and info about the tourney before you entered. None of Vince's events pay 100% and most pay back between 70 and 80%. To me this is ridiculous which is why I refuse to fish a event ran by that organization.

What really blows my mind is how any swag only event can pay less then 100% payback as you are forced to buy their products. I could be OK with a lower payback if the required lures etc. were given to the anglers prior to the event but baring that payouts for these types of events should be a minimum of 100% IMHO.

[McLovin]

Your friend at work is right. Some of these pay outs are terrible. I have stopped fishing a lot of circuits because of the pay outs. Like you said if your not in the top 3 to 5 your lucky if you get gas money. I am surprised at how many anglers don't seem to care,but it's there money so have at it.

[Levy]

BTW the raffle prizes were all donated so the tourney fee's do not go against this. I also heard no Poly was given at this event but can't confirm for sure as I was not there.

[mark poulson]

I think there's more than just payouts to consider when we debate which tournament has the "best payouts".
People fish tournaments for more than one reason.
Some who enter think they are on the fish to win.
Some are just competitive by nature, and find competing in tournaments "scratches that itch".
Some just enjoy being a part of a tournament, with all the atmosphere and camaraderie.
It is a choice.
So make your choice, fish it or don't, for whatever reasons you may have.
But remember, putting on a tournament is a lot of work, and involves considerable expense and time, and people should be paid for their time, work and expenses.
And each tournament organization has it's own individual financial plan and needs.
If it were easy, everyone would do it, but it's not, and they don't.

[K_Lincomfelt]

First disclaimer: No disrespect to anyone involved at R2S or tourney personal.

I fished it knowing what I would be getting into (we had the fish to potentially win). The payout scale is definitely weak but I don't fish an event like this to earn my income. It seemed to bother other people more than it did me at the "dock talk". To really make some money you need to be top 3 maybe 4ish. I will list my example below but I'm extremely proud of me and my partners finish and believe me I was a bit taken back at the lack of payback that we got but it didn't ruin my tournament. In the end I couldn't of even bought a hat or a single bait at the trailer with my winnings for a top 6 finish. But in the long run its whatever and I love the competition there was some really quality guys out there to test yourself. Much respect to the R2S guys some of whom are friends!

6th place out of 170
Payback $500
Entry -$200
Gas-$220
launch-$14
baits-$60
other expense of tourney to big to list but you get my point

Respectfully Kevin Lincomfelt

[Roscoe]

Those are some great responses. I'm one of them angkers that will fish tourneys for the completion part of it not for the money. But on the other hand there are them anglers who dedicate a lot of time and money into fishing and do at some point use their winnings to keep chasing their dream and after its all said and done if your not a top 5 it's very tough to chase that dream. I was just curious cause we saw 100% payback and it wasn't so idk how they can say that. It should be said something like a certain percentage goes to staff and the rest to the field. I'm not here to start any problems I was just curious and lookin out for the angler chafing a dream and maybe enlighten him if he wants to make it big he might have to do what other great sticks have done from Cali and move back east.

[TNguyen]

There was a Car that was raffled off. The R2S tournament was also a qualifier for the Coors Light Championship where another $20k + vehicle will be awarded along with cash and other prizes. Do you guys think car dealerships, Coors Light, R2S, Ranger Boats, etc etc etc come knocking on Vince's door begging to donate huge prizes? Or do you think maybe Vince has been spending over a decade building this business so anglers at all levels can have a trail to fish provides anglers to win prizes they wouldn't ever have a chance to win. Organizations have to make money in order to stay in business. The customer (anglers) can choose to participate based on the value they recieve or sit out. BUT the customer has no right to dictate the profit margins of any business.

If i put together a 125% payback tournament trail with a $200 entry fee I bet 90% of the complainers on this forum still wouldn't fish. Stop complaining, pony up your money or keep it pushing.

Tuan Nguyen

[Roscoe]

Oh I get it I was just curious how it all works. Just something me and a co worker was discussing and I just wanted some feed back. I understand the prizes and all are a great thing for the anglers and I assume paying for a lie detector test for a tourney isn't too cheap so I understand just curious.

[mark poulson]

Tuan,
It isn't owed to anybody, but a breakdown of overhead and profit might help people understand what's involved in putting tournaments on.

[Deltamudduck]

First of all I want to say this Tournement was well ran! The R2S staff and productucts where great. It was great to see a 170 boats with Pro's and AM's competing together. The Raffle was outstanding and I never been at a event where so manny prizes where given out. I hope we support all the vendors donating the prizes. I only stuck around for the Golden ticket and the possibility of winning the jeep. I was on the impression that the jeep was donated. I stunk it up on the tourney and I think I would be a little upset if I smashed the fish. During the awards and raffles it was announced this tourney was a 140% pay back. I know that Anglers Press needs to make a profit but I think it sucks when you can't even cover your cost with a top ten finish! If you want to see how a good tourney payout is, check out Tracy Bass!

[TNguyen]

Jeeps are not just Donated. A lot of work goes into acquiring big dollar sponsors. All the other prizes are also not just Donated. Each and every product is paid for by the respective company's marketing fund. You can bet they are dilligently calculating their ROI on every dollar spent.

Maybe some of you should walk into a Chrysler Dealership tomorrow and ask them to "Donate" a Jeep and see how far you get.

As far as Profit Margins and Overhead goes......really???
You want the Anglers Press bank account number too??
Rule of thumb:

Cost of goods sold = 45%-60% of Revenue
Overhead costs = 20%-25% of Revenue
Indirect costs = 10%-15% of Revenue
Gross Profit = 15%-20% of Revenue
Assuming 35% taxes a business is left with 5%-10% of annual revenue.

Trust me guys nobody is getting rich running a tournament circuit. It is a lot of work and not a whole lot of glamour.

Moving on, FLW Clear Lake starts next week. We need more boaters so you all should come out and play.

Tuan

[weekendbassangler]

There is a difference between running a tournament circuit and putting on a swag tournament. Tournament circuits have every right to cover their expences. Swag tournaments are a marketing tool and the bait company that is putting on the event should cover the overhead. There is no reason why a Swag tourny shouldn't pay back 100% of the entry fees.

[Roscoe]

There was a Car that was raffled off. The R2S tournament was also a qualifier for the Coors Light Championship where another $20k + vehicle will be awarded along with cash and other prizes. Do you guys think car dealerships, Coors Light, R2S, Ranger Boats, etc etc etc come knocking on Vince's door begging to donate huge prizes? Or do you think maybe Vince has been spending over a decade building this business so anglers at all levels can have a trail to fish provides anglers to win prizes they wouldn't ever have a chance to win. Organizations have to make money in order to stay in business. The customer (anglers) can choose to participate based on the value they recieve or sit out. BUT the customer has no right to dictate the profit margins of any business.

If i put together a 125% payback tournament trail with a $200 entry fee I bet 90% of the complainers on this forum still wouldn't fish. Stop complaining, pony up your money or keep it pushing.

Tuan Nguyen

[Roscoe]

Oh I appreciate the work that all TD do for the anglers. I also understand they use a lot of their personal time to get things donated and such, but let's not forget that there are the ones (TD) that do it solely for the anglers and some that do it for their own good. I'm not accusing anyone of mishandling the $ but when there's a reputation of that person and payouts don't add up that raises eyebrows. Just sayin, but on another side of that argument I understand staff and overhead has to be paid. If I'm putting my name on something and I say 100% I mean 100%. Maybe instead of taking pot $ out to pay staff maybe the sponsors pays the staff and instead of prizes they can advertise at the event. All I'm saying it seems certain tourneys I always here mumbling bout shady stuff versus other circuits where I hear a lot of praise about how it's ran. I'm logging off for good so I can concentrate on my own career so good luck to yall and just pick your tourneys wisely.

[Levy]

There is a difference between running a tournament circuit and putting on a swag tournament. Tournament circuits have every right to cover their expences. Swag tournaments are a marketing tool and the bait company that is putting on the event should cover the overhead. There is no reason why a Swag tourny shouldn't pay back 100% of the entry fees.

Exactly right. Finally someone else gets it.

[WB Staff]

Info from R2S on Payout

Over 100% Payback was given by R2S.
Entries brought in S34,000.
River2Sea paid out aprox. $23,000 in cash plus the guaranteed grand prize of the Jeep MSRP $20,000.
This more than covers the $34,000 in payout

None of this includes the raffle prizes or the food that was given away at the event.

The $15,000 to the top-5 and the grand prize Jeep was guaranteed regardless of the number of entries.

[Roscoe]

Ok so maybe I'm just slow or just plain stupid, I just read R2S had 34k paid by competitors and paid back 23k and that's over 100% ? But now they say the jeep was 20k msrp, so did a portion of the 34k go towards the jeep? Cause if you say 100% payback then shouldn't 34k be paid back to the field? Hey I'm not trying to be a thorn in the a@@ but I'm just asking what a good amount of other competitors were questioning. so I guess if I owe 34k left on my home I can just pay the bank 23k and give them a vehicle that msrps over 20k and expect them to be ok with it. Idk, 100% to me should be 100%.

[Mike]

Raffle prizes are Not Payout. They are Donated consolation prizes

[kmah]

You all can shoot holes in everything, run a tournament business before you go around telling others how to do this and do that. Maybe some of you should actually fish some events instead of spend your free time infont of a computer or tablet with a screen name. If you take offense to that, look yourself in the mirror and decide are you a competitor or not. Because nobody is making a living on the west fishing team events.

170 boats and potentially 340 anglers thought this was a good place to gamble their expendable entertainment income.

Look if you choose not to fish for whatever reasons, then don't join the 330+ anglers that thought $50/day x 2 days for a chance at:
6k for 1st
15k street value for a jeep
20k if you qualify for another truck(coors light championship)
And Fun

$200 total you get that.

Regular open team events that we currently have in the west.
$240-280/per event all in for 6-7 events=$1440-1960 annual entry fees.

Potentially win $1500-2200 per event
Fish for a 12k motor or a 16k boat at the TOC
Fun-subjective here.

$1440-1960 total you get that.

Jason and I fished and won the Lucas oil event in March $750/team entry we got 6k + 1k(Rangercup bonus)=7k
Lorenzo won 6k for $200 entry fee. Don't need a calculator to figure this out. I do realize the are differences in what's paid back to the field, but right now team events in the west are simply for fun and those events that have provided the most fun have been successful.

Ken Mah

[birdi23nls]

You all can shoot holes in everything, run a tournament business before you go around telling others how to do this and do that. Maybe some of you should actually fish some events instead of spend your free time infont of a computer or tablet with a screen name. If you take offense to that, look yourself in the mirror and decide are you a competitor or not. Because nobody is making a living on the west fishing team events.

170 boats and potentially 340 anglers thought this was a good place to gamble their expendable entertainment income.

Look if you choose not to fish for whatever reasons, then don't join the 330+ anglers that thought $50/day x 2 days for a chance at:
6k for 1st
15k street value for a jeep
20k if you qualify for another truck(coors light championship)
And Fun

$200 total you get that.

Regular open team events that we currently have in the west.
$240-280/per event all in for 6-7 events=$1440-1960 annual entry fees.

Potentially win $1500-2200 per event
Fish for a 12k motor or a 16k boat at the TOC
Fun-subjective here.

$1440-1960 total you get that.

Jason and I fished and won the Lucas oil event in March $750/team entry we got 6k + 1k(Rangercup bonus)=7k
Lorenzo won 6k for $200 entry fee. Don't need a calculator to figure this out. I do realize the are differences in what's paid back to the field, but right now team events in the west are simply for fun and those events that have provided the most fun have been successful.

Ken Mah

Settle down brother.

I know your the man on the delta but this is a legitimate question and thread. Certainly no one would argue that an angler has a right to know what their entry fee is going towards. There is no defense for the payouts in "some tournaments." I'm not going to bash or name names but everyone knows who and what organizations put together events that have poor payouts. If you say 100%, it should be 100 percent. Fisherman that want to make excuses for _____________, are trying to find a way to justify the fact that 170 teams were mislead.

Having said that, I fish tournaments here and there. I even fish a few tournaments on the delta. I don't much care for the "swag tourneys" , as they are being called, with the exception of the yamamoto big bass challenge. The only reason I fish the yamamoto tourney from time to time, is because I find the format interesting and fun.

I personally have no issue with the organization making a few bucks in any tournament, after all, this is not a socialist country (yet). Where I part ways with some, is the deceit. The flyers and advertisement did say 100% payout. Yes, yes, the director and staff did go through the steps of acquiring a jeep, (which is not easy) but technically it was a donated prize by a sponsor. It is dis-honest to say that this was a part of the 100% payback. Of course, if you know the payout system and numbers, and still want to fish the tournament, more power to you. However, using semantics to justify the payout, not cool.

Some circuits and directors better start getting the hint real soon, or they are going to have problems winning back the trust of the angler. If it's an 80% payout, then just say it's 80%. As the old saying goes, don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining!

Post Script: I'm worried I just pissed a lot of people off, but I'll own that.

Jared

[Roscoe]

I had no intentions fellas of having this big of a dispute on a certain subject. Myself I am not a real good stick but I enjoy doing tourneys win or lose. I was just curious how a tourney can say 100% payback when 100% wasn't paid back. I think some anglers love the whole jeep/raffle stuff and then there's the anglers who just want $ paid back plain and simple. So on that note why can't WB put on a first annual true 100% payback tourney? I'm sure if we as a fishing community put our heads together we could round of volunteers to help work the event and just pay something like top 10 only with all money for entry going right back to the anglers. And do something like a bigger buy in so the pot would be very nice and a angler here in the west trying to make it big can actually win some real money to help with their expenses. It's just a idea that's all. It's apparent were gonna all have different outlooks on this but hey that's good cause we all care bout one thing and that's fishing. Please by all means let's not take sides or throw all kinds of numbers out there, maybe let's get that true 100% payback tourney rolling and let's see how big of a turnout and pot we can build, and who knows maybe we can even draw in some pro guys that want a piece of a nice big pie.

[TNguyen]

Here is how I see it....there may be a couple people who have legit questions regarding the payout, then there are pot stirring busy bodies. If you frequently post and respond to threads you have nothing to do with then you're one of the chatty cathy's im talking about.

Of course 100% payout can be achieved, but for how long? Is it sustainable? What's better for the fishing industry, local business, entertainment? For 100 fisherman to show up to fish for 100% of eachothers money while a "TD" calls out boat numbers on a bull horn in a dark parking lot? Or for 350 participants to fish a "Swag" tournament that is promoted in print,radio, and internet for months which results in exposure to thousands whether they participate or not.


So those of you QUESTIONING the payout, would you complain if you won $6k for a $200 entry fee??

Quit crying and masking it as questioning.

It's not that serious....6 days until FLW clear lake...bring your boat and your questions. Lake County can use your support.

[FROGvsBASS]

so either fish and don't ask questions or go home

[birdi23nls]

Here is how I see it....there may be a couple people who have legit questions regarding the payout, then there are pot stirring busy bodies. If you frequently post and respond to threads you have nothing to do with then you're one of the chatty cathy's im talking about.

Of course 100% payout can be achieved, but for how long? Is it sustainable? What's better for the fishing industry, local business, entertainment? For 100 fisherman to show up to fish for 100% of eachothers money while a "TD" calls out boat numbers on a bull horn in a dark parking lot? Or for 350 participants to fish a "Swag" tournament that is promoted in print,radio, and internet for months which results in exposure to thousands whether they participate or not.


So those of you QUESTIONING the payout, would you complain if you won $6k for a $200 entry fee??

Quit crying and masking it as questioning.

It's not that serious....6 days until FLW clear lake...bring your boat and your questions. Lake County can use your support.

Full disclosure: I did not fish the tournament. I don't fish during deer season. In other words, I have no horse in this race. However, if what most people are saying is true, and again I emphasize the word IF, then it would be a whole lot more than "a couple of people who have legit questions." You stated that 350 people fished the tournament. I'm just guessing here, but I bet more than a couple of them might want to know what their entry fee is paying for.

And just because you didn't fish the tournament, doesn't mean that you will never fish this event or an event put on by the same organization in the future. Companies, big or small, rely heavily on their reputation. People should not be so dismissive of anglers not on their level or in their inner circle. Their questions and opinions do matter. After all, if they don't show up, that 100% payback is going to be a lot smaller on the flip side.

One more thought, I know every fisherman wants a 100% payback in every tournament that they fish. "Is it sustainable?" I don't know. But, I can tell you one thing that turns people off. Lying! And I'm not saying that anyone lied about the payout, but tournament directors should make sure that all of the anglers fishing their event are informed and don't feel cheated. The way to accomplishment that is called communication and transparency.

This is getting way to heavy for a tournament that I didn't fish. If anyone takes my opinion as being incorrect or confrontational, I apologize. It is just one mans opinion.

This is my last comment on this thread.

tight lines,

Jared

[CountryBoi]

is it that serious? grown men arguing over a payout...lmao! Keep going! I find this thread very entertaining. Actually, if you whining about the payout, why don't you quit fishing these tourneys, and start your own. Pay for the advertising/marketing, food, prizes, get all the permits and volunteers to work. Pay for all the equipment (weigh scales, microphone, speakers, tables, chairs, trophies/plaques), and lets see how many people come to your 100% payout. Better yet, let me see you spend all the man hours needed to put on a tournament of this size, and let's see how many tournaments you throw after the first one, lol!

Either fish the tourneys that we have out here in the west or don't. If you don't like the payout, don't fish. Its really that simple (not rocket science). Don't bash the people that are busting their asses to put on a tournament together to give weekend warriors like myself a chance to compete against some of the best on our side of the coast. I really appreciate the chance of going head up with the likes of "The Rossettis", "The Professional and The Great Harveno" Jamond Andrews and Harvey Pulliam, "Mr. RippnLipps" himself Obedie Williams, Mr. Ken Mah, and the list goes on and on! I'm just thankful for the opportunity to meet these guys and the other 166 boats that were there to do what we all enjoy and share a deep passion for....FISHING.

If you're upset about the payout, then put your time in on the water, and start finishing in the top 5. When it's all said and done, "no matter the price or the prize, a day out on the water fishing is better than being any other place in the world!!!"

Keep those lines tight fellas, and I'll see you at the next tournament (regardless of who's throwing it and the payout)!!! I fish for the thrill of having something pull drag off of my reels, not money.

[birdi23nls]

is it that serious? grown men arguing over a payout...lmao! Keep going! I find this thread very entertaining. Actually, if you whining about the payout, why don't you quit fishing these tourneys, and start your own. Pay for the advertising/marketing, food, prizes, get all the permits and volunteers to work. Pay for all the equipment (weigh scales, microphone, speakers, tables, chairs, trophies/plaques), and lets see how many people come to your 100% payout. Better yet, let me see you spend all the man hours needed to put on a tournament of this size, and let's see how many tournaments you throw after the first one, lol!

Either fish the tourneys that we have out here in the west or don't. If you don't like the payout, don't fish. Its really that simple (not rocket science). Don't bash the people that are busting their asses to put on a tournament together to give weekend warriors like myself a chance to compete against some of the best on our side of the coast. I really appreciate the chance of going head up with the likes of "The Rossettis", "The Professional and The Great Harveno" Jamond Andrews and Harvey Pulliam, "Mr. RippnLipps" himself Obedie Williams, Mr. Ken Mah, and the list goes on and on! I'm just thankful for the opportunity to meet these guys and the other 166 boats that were there to do what we all enjoy and share a deep passion for....FISHING.

If you're upset about the payout, then put your time in on the water, and start finishing in the top 5. When it's all said and done, "no matter the price or the prize, a day out on the water fishing is better than being any other place in the world!!!"

Keep those lines tight fellas, and I'll see you at the next tournament (regardless of who's throwing it and the payout)!!! I fish for the thrill of having something pull drag off of my reels, not money.

Problem solved!!! Now this can actually be my last post on this thread. Someone pin a rose on this guys nose. He's a marketing genius.

[keeb]

is it that serious? grown men arguing over a payout...lmao! Keep going! I find this thread very entertaining. Actually, if you whining about the payout, why don't you quit fishing these tourneys, and start your own. Pay for the advertising/marketing, food, prizes, get all the permits and volunteers to work. Pay for all the equipment (weigh scales, microphone, speakers, tables, chairs, trophies/plaques), and lets see how many people come to your 100% payout. Better yet, let me see you spend all the man hours needed to put on a tournament of this size, and let's see how many tournaments you throw after the first one, lol!

Either fish the tourneys that we have out here in the west or don't. If you don't like the payout, don't fish. Its really that simple (not rocket science). Don't bash the people that are busting their asses to put on a tournament together to give weekend warriors like myself a chance to compete against some of the best on our side of the coast. I really appreciate the chance of going head up with the likes of "The Rossettis", "The Professional and The Great Harveno" Jamond Andrews and Harvey Pulliam, "Mr. RippnLipps" himself Obedie Williams, Mr. Ken Mah, and the list goes on and on! I'm just thankful for the opportunity to meet these guys and the other 166 boats that were there to do what we all enjoy and share a deep passion for....FISHING.

If you're upset about the payout, then put your time in on the water, and start finishing in the top 5. When it's all said and done, "no matter the price or the prize, a day out on the water fishing is better than being any other place in the world!!!"

Keep those lines tight fellas, and I'll see you at the next tournament (regardless of who's throwing it and the payout)!!! I fish for the thrill of having something pull drag off of my reels, not money.

What does this have to do with an advertised 100% payback and people asking how the 100% was calculated? Just wondering. Maybe I'm dense.

[phoneman]

I rarely post but this one is a must for me. Again I to fish very few Tourneys due to my place in life and age of my children but time to time I fish a few events. I will hopefully in the future be able to fish more events. That said I'am very connected to several anglers that I know and they all have questions about how certain orgs MISS lead anglers thru advertisement. I would like to say this I hear Alway did or did they not give a POLY for this Tourney. I say forget the POLY for the fisherman. POLY the TD to see if the money is being Handle honestly. I didn't read the entry for this particular tourney but the issue is the OPTION MONEY I don't think there were options for the R2S. My point is Anglers have no way of proving who put in the options or who didn't so if a TD takes from the options money anglers will never know I say this because I know it happens thats why I say POLY the TD'S.

Chris.

[mark poulson]

Tuan,
It isn't owed to anybody, but a breakdown of overhead and profit might help people understand what's involved in putting tournaments on.

I posted this originally because I've found, through 35 years of running my own company, that the more the customer knows going in, the easier it is to bill them and get paid. So I did itemized bids, including overhead and profit.
I don't think anyone begrudges someone being paid for their work.
And we all understand upfront costs and fees.
Just say it up front.
If you are going to advertise a tournament as 100% payback, then break down how your version of 100% will be paid up front, instead of having to defend yourself afterwards, because of misunderstandings.
It's only fair, since the anglers are paying to play.

[The Jerk 936]

FYI the flyer said "OVER 100% payback" on the TD website. This implies all entry fees plus donated goods from sponsors ie: the jeep. If the TD didn't type "over 100% payback" on the flyer, this thread doesn't exist. It's a shame that R2S name is involved in this. If you advertise as "OVER 100% payback" then it should be, and the number would add up. If he did not advertise as "over 100% payback ", I'm sure the same people would of showed up to fish, and we wouldn't be talking right now. No body is complaining that the winnings were too small, just pointing out the obvious false advertising by the TD. [url]http://anglerspress.com/2013-02-12-04-3 ... n.html[url]

[racer75]

I fished a circuit this TD puts on, let me tell you there is funny business going on with him!!! He is a snake in the grass for us weekend anglers. Stay away find something else. He changes the rules in middle to give his guys advantage. On that note it's our fault for fishing his tounaments only way for him to get the message is low boat count. By the way eighth place in his TOC didn't even get entry for the TOC back.

[Roscoe]

So true and us weekend angkers aren't stupid. Idk if yall realize but most of them top sticks that fish his tourneys are paid by him and how do you think he pays for their entry? He has every right to pay their entry but when the entry comes out of the so called 100% payback then it does effect the payback which is why it's not 100% payback. They will get on here and defend him cause heck they got free entry and placed in the money so their gonna stick up for him. I know this for a fact cause I witnessed it and I have a real close friend who is one of the deltas top sticks and he declined to fish his tourneys cause he witnessed it also with me and wants no part of it. I hate to talk bad about someone but cmon you so called delta rats, yall know he's dirty. But hey I'm just a slob who sits in front of a computer and post stuff cause I have no life. That's so far from who I am, I try to fish as much as I can but I run one of the best construction company's on the west and when I use my hard earned money for these tourneys I expect honesty. And who throws a first annual frog tourney the weekend before theee best tourney of the year that's been going strong year after year, that's disrespect. Go ahead and have your wanna be snag proof but give that tourney respect and do it after not the weekend before. All in all his tourneys aren't 100% and the numbers prove it!!!!

[WB Staff]

We've all had time to express our opinion on this one. We're locking this one up now. Time to get out on the water. Good luck out there tight lines!