NEVER IN MY 20 PLUS YEARS OF TOURNAMENT FISHING !

tritontr21 · Post by **tritontr21** » Sun Nov 21, 2010 11:50 pm

So im fishing a tournament this past weekend at clear lake, in some pretty nasty weather. Flying across the lake, my lower unit explodes, so we jump on the T-motor and spot a fellow tourny competitor, flag them down and ask for a tow to the launch site, maybe a mile. They ask if were fishing a tournament and we say we are fishing the same one they are. The first question the punk a$$ kid in the back of the boat asks is," how much weight do you have ?", I replied, I don't know, Im not thinking about that right now and then he starts going off about wasting time towing us in and not being able to fish and mumbling some other crap !!! WTF. All i have to say is, god help you if you ever break down on the water!!!!!!!!!!

I wunna thank ED at TACKLE IT for the big help and getting us back to the weigh in. YOU DA MAN ED !!!!

Ringer · Post by **Ringer** » Mon Nov 22, 2010 4:10 am

I always help out people in need but I don't get why you wouldn't call the marina or a buddy not in the tournament and get a tow. You expect another team to give up their entry fee to tow you in during a tournament? Maybe you could tie up to a tree and wait until it was over and they would send someone back to tow you in.

Andrew Jackson · Post by **Andrew Jackson** » Mon Nov 22, 2010 5:19 am

Are you serious Ringer? Hell yes you help out a distressed boat on the water. It is what you are supposed to do. It can happen to you some day. Hell yes give up some of your time to help out someone in need. "It's all about me" is so rampant anymore. I would have loved to bitch slap that backseater in that other boat and tell em to wake the F up. And yes this type of mentallity really pizzes me off.

619 · Post by **619** » Mon Nov 22, 2010 5:24 am

Here is what should have happened in my opinion. The other boat should have asked you to have your fish bagged and ready and that they would pick one of you up with your fish when it was time to go in. Then come back out and tow you in. That way you can continue to fish and they could also.

bryanmc · Post by **bryanmc** » Mon Nov 22, 2010 5:38 am

Couple questions... And I'm not condoning them not helping you in any way. How much time was left, could you have fished your way in? You said you were only a mile from the ramp. If there wasn't enough time for that, most orgs give you the option of one partner taking the fish in their boat to check in, then the boater can come back for you, and they don't lose any fishing time. Did you ask them to do that?

I've had a semi broken boat way up the Pit river arm on Shasta early in the morning, and all I asked of one of the other teams was to make sure they checked on us before they ran back to Bridge Bay or if they passed us on the lake, so that if the boat crapped out the rest of the way we could get the fish in.

I don't know if I would have been a stickler for a tow (unless the boat was in danger of getting driven into the rocks by the wind or something similar), I'd just want to make sure my partner and the fish got in on time.

flipit · Post by **flipit** » Mon Nov 22, 2010 5:55 am

I had this happen last year on the Delta, and all we wanted was a ride to the ramp. I was gonna pick up the truck and drive back down to get the boat. It was about the 30th boat that went by that stopped. The team that did stop ended up taking 2nd place for the day. Clear Lake in the wind is a bit different and Id like to think a fellow competitor would be willing to help out.

Andrew Jackson · Post by **Andrew Jackson** » Mon Nov 22, 2010 5:57 am

"in some pretty nasty weather" Is what he stated. You're missing the smart *** mentallity of being given 50 questions before they decide to give him a tow or not. Yes we don't know all the circumstances of this situation however with this guy having 20+ years of fishing tourneys under his belt it sounds like he would know to expect from fellow angler in that situation before barking about it here. That would have been a no brainer for me to tow them in. What 20 minutes out of their fishing day to help out? Please...

mark poulson · Post by **mark poulson** » Mon Nov 22, 2010 6:32 am

I think part of the Coast Guard regs states that, as a boat "captain", you are required to lend assistance to another boat in distress, as long as you're not endangering youself or your passengers.
If the boat was in distress, no question they should have helped.
If not, they should have, at least, offered to take your fish in for you.
Years ago, I was in a small aluminum boat at Cachuma, and, when we came out of a cove down toward the narrows, the lake was blown, with 3' rollers coming from the north. We turned into the wind, took three waves over the bow, but got up on plane enough to head toward the ramp, with the bilge pump shooting a rooster tail the whole way.
When we finally tied up to the dock, there was a bass boat next to us, and the guy driving it said, "Wow, we didn't think you guys were going to make it". But he never offered us help, or even sent the lake patrol out to see if we needed help.
All I can say is Karma.

drew · Post by **drew** » Mon Nov 22, 2010 6:37 am

I would have towed him, especially because of the weather. At the very least I would have towed him closer to ramp were it would have been a less difficult distance to navigate with the TM. Sounds like it might have only been a 15-20min tow.

Ringer · Post by **Ringer** » Mon Nov 22, 2010 6:58 am

I have stopped in the middle of whatever I was doing to help and if the weather was bad then they should have towed you in or given one of you a quick ride to the ramp to get help. Just saying that if you were in no danger I can see the people not wanting to hang it up for an hour. It takes a while to tow a boat a mile and you were asking them to give up their fishing time. I had to run a mile on my TM during a tourney with dozens of boats passing me and never giving me the time of day. It happens.

bryanmc · Post by **bryanmc** » Mon Nov 22, 2010 7:29 am

mark poulson wrote:I think part of the Coast Guard regs states that, as a boat "captain", you are required to lend assistance to another boat in distress, as long as you're not endangering yourself or your passengers.

Actually Mark, the Coast Guard regs say "The master of a vessel is obligated by law to provide assistance to any person in danger at sea."

I agree the guy in the back was a jerk for playing 20 questions. Without knowing all the facts, it's hard to come to a complete conclusion.

William Pointing · Post by **William Pointing** » Mon Nov 22, 2010 8:33 am

Anytime you ask someone for a tow, they should go out of there way to get you in. I have been on both sides of this. First they should have offered to take your fish in and then come back and get you, If you were not in danger.

Cooch · Post by **Cooch** » Mon Nov 22, 2010 8:52 am

Hopefully, you reported this to the Tournament officials? There indeed are federal laws about assisting a distressed boat. Refusing to help because yer in a tournament, is no excuse in a court of law, should it go that far. Reporting it, should have gotten that team, DQ'd for their ignorance of the law and failure to follow the good sportmanship rules that are printed in the rules of every tournament org.

Dan Stahlman · Post by **Dan Stahlman** » Mon Nov 22, 2010 9:03 am

Welcome to the new world of Tournament Bass Fishing. Twenty years ago half the field would of stopped to see if they could help out. Its a shame this type of behavior has behavior has been flushed down the toilet by newer competitors. Sure there were guys twenty years ago that would not have helped but not the number that there are now. Unfortuantly the younger mind set and some older guys is take care of me first and screw the other guy. This was apply proved by the young punk asking how much weight they had so his weight wasn't in danger. To bad you can't put his name out. Karma will get you fella and I hope you break down in the narrows on a windy day and see who comes to your aid. What a P----.

Turkeyman · Post by **Turkeyman** » Mon Nov 22, 2010 9:09 am

It shouldn't matter if your fishing, skiing, hunting or sightseeing. I have been towed in and just this year I have towed in a boat that was hunting, a pontoon boat, nad a duck boat. It's all about Karma, and it wil come back to them. Hopefully they blanked for the day.

mac (Doyle McEwen) · Post by **mac (Doyle McEwen)** » Mon Nov 22, 2010 9:40 am

I would hate to give up my fishing time to assist another boat that has broken down for whatever reason, but there is something I would hate even more, NOT HELPING..

mac

kopper_bass · Post by **kopper_bass** » Mon Nov 22, 2010 10:07 am

WOW, really????- i can't even believe that this is a topic for discussion; and especially that there is a difference of opinion about what the right thing to do is. It's one thing to be stranded on a sunny, windless, summer day on a very crowded lake, but to be stranded in the middle of a lake in November with cold temps, wind, and waves where there are likely very few people on the water other than your fellow competitors? Come On!

Anyone who would not stop and help, or is thinking of how they can "still fish" or "check on you later" scenarios, is obviously:
a) Not a believer in Karma (this is really gonna bite you in the A*S)
b) Never been standed themselves in a bad situation where bad can turn to worse in a sec.
c) Is just flat out NOT a sportsman

It's amazing how people get their heads up their A*S for a few dollars and a little competition.
Triton - glad your back safe and all is well. i would have stopped and towed you in, no questions asked.

Kopper

Bill K · Post by **Bill K** » Mon Nov 22, 2010 10:34 am

I for one, say, disqualify them for unsportsmanship conduct.If they can not help another boater, especially one in the same tournament, then they need to be tossed out. Plain and simple. I believe there are such rules, if not then there should damn well be. Bill K

Kevin Evans - Kap · Post by **Kevin Evans - Kap** » Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:27 am

KARMA BABY, KARMA is all I have to say. AJ hits it on the nose....

Kap

Garrettt · Post by **Garrettt** » Mon Nov 22, 2010 12:10 pm

This summer I towed a guy back from the middle of the lake at DVL during a night tourny. We were an hour late to weigh in.

fish_food · Post by **fish_food** » Mon Nov 22, 2010 12:26 pm

I've towed three or four stranded boats back to dock. The non-bassboaters actually offered compensation for the inconvenience--the longest tow was for a bassboat, whose owner didn't appear all that appreciative.

kane-o · Post by **kane-o** » Mon Nov 22, 2010 3:08 pm

its a shame that this has to happen. i have been on both sides as well. but i have helped many more boaters than i can count, but just last spring, i broke down about 2 1/2 miles away from the ramp, and heading back into a good 20mph wind. came out of a cove and saw a fellow angler, asked for a tow, and i got an answer saying " i will call the lifeguards " i knew there is no phone reception where he was. this was a weekday around 11:30am... he said he just got out and wanted to fish

and this person calls himself a guide as well... and the very next day, i helped some broken down waterskiers... its all about the kind of person you are and how you were raised.... and again KARMA...

DAKINE198 · Post by **DAKINE198** » Mon Nov 22, 2010 4:32 pm

I have a question, does towing someone in cuase harm to your motor? It was a good thing Tony and Ray didn't need a tow in a couple of weeks ago I would have broken my mount towing them in. When your towing someone what are some good guidelines to follow.

DaveH · Post by **DaveH** » Mon Nov 22, 2010 4:35 pm

kane-o wrote:its a shame that this has to happen. i have been on both sides as well. but i have helped many more boaters than i can count, but just last spring, i broke down about 2 1/2 miles away from the ramp, and heading back into a good 20mph wind. came out of a cove and saw a fellow angler, asked for a tow, and i got an answer saying " i will call the lifeguards " i knew there is no phone reception where he was. this was a weekday around 11:30am... he said he just got out and wanted to fish and this person calls himself a guide as well... and the very next day, i helped some broken down waterskiers... its all about the kind of person you are and how you were raised.... and again KARMA...

Why don't you get over this bullcrap story of yours, each time you tell it the wind is blowing harder and your further away from the ramp, and now you come up with this line that I wanted to fish cause I just got out, why don't you meet me in the parking lot and where can talk about this face to face, I very visable and I'm getting very tired of this bull crap tale of your that As I said before I don't have any memory of, I if I did tell you that I would contact the lifeguards how do you know that my cell didn't have any service, and I thought you said you used your trolling motor to get yourself all the way back, so if the life guards did come looking for a detressed boat you should have waved them down... Like I said, look me up cause your tale gets longer each time...and I love to talk this over with you, cause all's you do is jump into a post and add your negativity... Dave Horst...

CN · Post by CN » Mon Nov 22, 2010 7:28 pm

I always thought it just common knowledge on the water. If a dead boat ask's for a tow in you tow them in.

I hope I dont break down!

Brian · Post by **Brian** » Mon Nov 22, 2010 8:15 pm

I would tow them in if it was someone I liked............. If not well then................oh well.....

Brian · Post by **Brian** » Mon Nov 22, 2010 8:17 pm

Brian wrote:I would tow them in if it was someone I liked............. If not well then................oh well.....

Unless it was an ABA, as Staff boat I would tow anyone in.........

Brian · Post by **Brian** » Mon Nov 22, 2010 8:18 pm

Brian wrote:
Brian wrote:I would tow them in if it was someone I liked............. If not well then................oh well.....
Unless it was an ABA, as Staff boat I would tow anyone in.........

Well, unless it was Brent and BDBR..........

mark poulson · Post by **mark poulson** » Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:31 am

DAKINE198 wrote:I have a question, does towing someone in cuase harm to your motor? It was a good thing Tony and Ray didn't need a tow in a couple of weeks ago I would have broken my mount towing them in. When your towing someone what are some good guidelines to follow.

Steve,
The first time I towed a boat, it was with a 25 horse Johnson in a 17' Crestliner, and we had no problems.
Just take you time.
It's much safer to tow at slow speeds, and that way you don't run the risk of the towed boat drifting right into you when you slow down. Even the lifeguards at Castaic, whose boats could tow a bass boat and get it on plane, tow slowly.
And you can tie the tow rope off to the base of the rear seat pedestal, or a rear cleat. Once you get the boat going, it's really no strain on anything.

Fishingnut · Post by **Fishingnut** » Tue Nov 23, 2010 5:03 am

Does your insurance company cover a vessel in tow. I would hate for something to happen to the vessel in tow and be held responsible.Now a days people have sue sue sue on there minds. I would make sure they were not in danger and then get the PROPER people to tow them. I have helped many stranded boaters out in the past by contacting the right people for a tow.I have taken tournament team mates in with there fish for weigh in. But you could on some days spend all day saving boaters.

mark poulson · Post by **mark poulson** » Tue Nov 23, 2010 6:52 am

Fishingnut wrote:Does your insurance company cover a vessel in tow. I would hate for something to happen to the vessel in tow and be held responsible.Now a days people have sue sue sue on there minds. I would make sure they were not in danger and then get the PROPER people to tow them. I have helped many stranded boaters out in the past by contacting the right people for a tow.I have taken tournament team mates in with there fish for weigh in. But you could on some days spend all day saving boaters.

Hmmm...that's something I never thought of.
I'm guessing that, since you're required to give assistance if needed, it shouldn't be an insurance issue, but I'm going to contact my agent and ask, now that you mentioned it.
Thank for the idea.

mark poulson · Post by **mark poulson** » Tue Nov 23, 2010 6:55 am

bryanmc wrote:
mark poulson wrote:I think part of the Coast Guard regs states that, as a boat "captain", you are required to lend assistance to another boat in distress, as long as you're not endangering yourself or your passengers.
Actually Mark, the Coast Guard regs say "The master of a vessel is obligated by law to provide assistance to any person in danger at sea."

I agree the guy in the back was a jerk for playing 20 questions. Without knowing all the facts, it's hard to come to a complete conclusion.

Bryan,
Does "at sea" mean only on the salt, or does it cover any navigable waters, like our lakes?

Juicy_Joyce · Post by **Juicy_Joyce** » Tue Nov 23, 2010 6:59 am

Wow that is so selfish and creepy!! It's a fishing tournament they weren't going to win it anyway. Lame.

-Juicy Joyce over and out-

bryanmc · Post by **bryanmc** » Tue Nov 23, 2010 7:10 am

Good question Mark, I honestly don't know. My thought is if they meant "on any navigable water" that's how they would have written it, but we all know the government isn't famous for concise wording. It's the "in danger" part that's pretty clear. Just because my boat breaks, I don't think you're legally bound by regulation to stop and assist. If I'm in danger you are, but being inconvenienced and or uncomfortable and being in danger are 2 very different things.

Personally, I wouldn't ask someone to give up fishing time during a tournament unless something bad was happening (about to get beached on the rocks, injury etc). I would ask to help me get my partner in with the fish and either come back after you weigh in to get me or make sure someone does.

Bill K · Post by **Bill K** » Tue Nov 23, 2010 7:55 am

mark poulson wrote:
bryanmc wrote:
mark poulson wrote:I think part of the Coast Guard regs states that, as a boat "captain", you are required to lend assistance to another boat in distress, as long as you're not endangering yourself or your passengers.
Actually Mark, the Coast Guard regs say "The master of a vessel is obligated by law to provide assistance to any person in danger at sea."

I agree the guy in the back was a jerk for playing 20 questions. Without knowing all the facts, it's hard to come to a complete conclusion.
Bryan,
Does "at sea" mean only on the salt, or does it cover any navigable waters, like our lakes?

I believe coast gaurd rules/law apply to all waters. You have te remember more people drown in inland waters than salt, other than maybe the Bering sea, every year. Common sense and courtesy is to help a fellow boater. Regardless of the written law. Just stop and think how you would feel or what you would want, if in the same situation. BIll K

bryanmc · Post by **bryanmc** » Tue Nov 23, 2010 8:10 am

Bill K wrote: Regardless of the written law. Just stop and think how you would feel or what you would want, if in the same situation. BIll K

I think I addressed that above Bill. Also remember, bass boats are very rarely "dead in the water". If we're fishing a tournament at Almanor out of the Forest Service ramp and I lose the big motor first thing in the morning at the airport, are you going to give up your tournament day towing me back or are you going to let me fish my way back on the TM and help make sure my fish get back on time?

Do I have a right to demand a tow?

Bill K · Post by **Bill K** » Tue Nov 23, 2010 9:30 am

bryanmc wrote:
Bill K wrote: Regardless of the written law. Just stop and think how you would feel or what you would want, if in the same situation. BIll K
I think I addressed that above Bill. Also remember, bass boats are very rarely "dead in the water". If we're fishing a tournament at Almanor out of the Forest Service ramp and I lose the big motor first thing in the morning at the airport, are you going to give up your tournament day towing me back or are you going to let me fish my way back on the TM and help make sure my fish get back on time?

Do I have a right to demand a tow?

I know you did, I was just repeating, I guess. As for giving up a spot in tournament (At Almanor) Without sounding as I am patting myself on the back. I did just that one time, with a family water skiing out from Prattville. I towed them all the way to the damn ramp as that is where they had their vehicle/trailer. Yes I could have taken them into
Prattvile, then taken the husband to the damn and he could have drove back, but I choose to tow all the way. I guess we each have to weigh the situation and do what we think is best. Fish are not as important as helping a fellow boater, no matter what, in my opinion. I would do the same think all over. And I have no dis-respect or put down for what ever anyone else choose's to do. I just will not leave a boater stranded on the water, if I can help it. Bill K

bryanmc · Post by **bryanmc** » Tue Nov 23, 2010 9:40 am

I guess we see it different. It's refreshing to know though, that this January, if I break down up the McCloud by Hirz Bay on Shasta during the Stren (or whatever they end up calling it) that there are so many guys that will drop everything, toss their whole tournament and flush the 1000.00 entry fee to tow me in.

Bill K · Post by **Bill K** » Tue Nov 23, 2010 2:55 pm

You just never know.. And, by the way, I hope you place way up there in the pending tournament. Fishing is supposed to be fun, with no problems, as many other of our sports and activitys should be. Bill K

stickbait · Post by **stickbait** » Tue Nov 23, 2010 3:03 pm

DaveH wrote:
kane-o wrote:its a shame that this has to happen. i have been on both sides as well. but i have helped many more boaters than i can count, but just last spring, i broke down about 2 1/2 miles away from the ramp, and heading back into a good 20mph wind. came out of a cove and saw a fellow angler, asked for a tow, and i got an answer saying " i will call the lifeguards " i knew there is no phone reception where he was. this was a weekday around 11:30am... he said he just got out and wanted to fish and this person calls himself a guide as well... and the very next day, i helped some broken down waterskiers... its all about the kind of person you are and how you were raised.... and again KARMA...
Why don't you get over this bullcrap story of yours, each time you tell it the wind is blowing harder and your further away from the ramp, and now you come up with this line that I wanted to fish cause I just got out, why don't you meet me in the parking lot and where can talk about this face to face, I very visable and I'm getting very tired of this bull crap tale of your that As I said before I don't have any memory of, I if I did tell you that I would contact the lifeguards how do you know that my cell didn't have any service, and I thought you said you used your trolling motor to get yourself all the way back, so if the life guards did come looking for a detressed boat you should have waved them down... Like I said, look me up cause your tale gets longer each time...and I love to talk this over with you, cause all's you do is jump into a post and add your negativity... Dave Horst...

What the hell is a lifeguard ???

mattwarner · Post by **mattwarner** » Tue Nov 23, 2010 3:14 pm

Hopefully you took there numbers on the boat and turned them in, most officials will dq them for sure, and then most officials as long as you call them will not penalize either one due to the break down... I hope those punks are reading this, cause that what you are PUNKS.

bryanmc · Post by **bryanmc** » Tue Nov 23, 2010 3:32 pm

mattwarner wrote:and then most officials as long as you call them will not penalize either one due to the break down.

Really? I can think of a case from a TOC this year where that exact incident happened.... They got DQ'd for being late and it possibly cost them the tournament. Can't say I've ever seen an exemption for a breakdown, but then I haven't seen everything.

Andy Giannini · Post by **Andy Giannini** » Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:33 pm

If there is pending danger, that is one issue you go get them rescue them.

If they want to weigh in fish another seperate issue.

If they want a tow, jumpstart, hey my livewells just died, tech troubleshoot, etc. and they are otherwise fine, seperate issue during a tourney.

Jesus, if somebody's TM or sonar craps out in hour one does that mean distress?

There is a difference between myself having to jump my big motor from one of my trollers, on a flat clear day, and someone in desperate need of a rescue.

(And all of this has changed with cell phone technology.)

Not trying to come off unsportsmanlike, but geez!

bryanmc · Post by **bryanmc** » Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:59 pm

Thanks Andy, at least somebody gets it

Andy Giannini · Post by **Andy Giannini** » Tue Nov 23, 2010 6:03 pm

There is another anecdote I have to add to this string, one year a guy and his partner (Not really, it was a seperate type draw event.) had 20+ plus in each side but the big motor crapped out. They got towed in late and were allowed to weigh in a club event on the Delta. They won.

Funny part was the "Dad" in another good Ranger boat would not tow them in.

It was funny stuff, guys feeling sorry for them, the "dad" not helping, guys thinking the late weigh was against the rules...guys feeling they should be able to weigh in anyway because they had good weight.

.02

Stratos278 · Post by **Stratos278** » Tue Nov 23, 2010 7:32 pm

A few years ago my club held a tourney on Shasta. One club member's boat broke down and there was a lot of confusion as to who was to do what and when, to rescue him. As a result of this incident, our Club developed a set of rules to cover breakdowns, and the actions both the breakdown boat and rescue boats were to take. Part of these procedures is quoted here, hope it might help someone out in the future.

What to do if you come across someone who needs rescuing:

Assess the situation. It is the responsibility of the vessel discovering the disabled vessel to
provide assistance. Do what you can to ensure the safe return of the passengers and craft.
Failure to assist or report a disabled vessel will result in a disqualification from the event.In the case of immediate physical danger, contact 911, then the tournament director.
If possible, tow the disabled vessel to the nearest marina. Once the disabled vessel and
passengers are safe, the assisting vessel may resume fishing.

If anyone is interested in seeing our procedures in their entirety, go to our website http://www.rebc.net and click on the Club Rules tab then click on the link to the breakdown procedures.

Steve, the REBC was fishing Clear Lake when you were there, you can rest assured if a Club member had come across you we would have stopped to help, tournament be damned.

toddmc · Post by **toddmc** » Tue Nov 23, 2010 8:36 pm

Sorry to hear about your lower unit. If it wasn't the end of the day, I would have gotten you somewhere safe and come back for your fish on my way in. I would have gone back to tow you in after we both weighed our fish. This post has so many replies because you left out a lot of variables. Even if you keep your equipment serviced and in like new condition, you will experience a breakdown eventually. But, I have fished several pro-ams with pros who fish with old batteries and worn out equipment. If this is you, stop it! I'm tired of losing chances to win because of this so called "pro". I even had a "pro" run out of gas in 2005 because he was fishing out of a 1970's Ranger with no working gas gauge. It is not the tournament director's job to ask every boater if their stuff is in working order. Maybe the non-boater side would have more entries if they were guaranteed to draw a pro that was really a pro and not a moron.
Another time, I was fishing out of my boat at a Champion tournament on Mead and ran from Callvile to Echo through big waves in the morning. A guy in a Champ shows up in the middle of the day and drifts through the spot I was fishing because of a breakdown. He says he has a battery problem that he knew about before he even launched and he has no jumper cables. I had left my cables in the truck. I felt a little bad because I couldn't help him, but he got it working by changing batteries.This guy deserves no assistance. I couldn't have towed this guy back through the six footers even if I wanted to. I later bought a set of cables specifically for the boat. Everyone should have them.

jimmy87 · Post by **jimmy87** » Tue Nov 23, 2010 8:47 pm

how many people here have vessel assist?
I for one do. Have not had to use it yet but feel alot better out on the water with it.

Stratos278 · Post by **Stratos278** » Tue Nov 23, 2010 9:12 pm

jimmy87 wrote:how many people here have vessel assist?
I for one do. Have not had to use it yet but feel alot better out on the water with it.

That's fine if you're on the Delta, but Vessel Assist isn't available everywhere

jimmy87 · Post by **jimmy87** » Thu Nov 25, 2010 5:58 am

Stratos278 wrote:
jimmy87 wrote:how many people here have vessel assist?
I for one do. Have not had to use it yet but feel alot better out on the water with it.
That's fine if you're on the Delta, but Vessel Assist isn't available everywhere

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