Lets be clear on this....

eric n · Post by **eric n** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 8:13 am

S. Bailey wrote:7 fish limit sounds awesome...10 fish is even better, but people who cant catch em will still complain... lower the entree fee's and fish for plaques is a great one too since nobody does this for a living ... actually maybe we should all get paid in " trident layers gum " since its all " just for fun "...
Billy has his work cut out for him trying to please everyone. Good luck bro !

Trident rocks!Im in.Let me rephrase that,'nobody is making a living at DVl'I was being myoptic.You know what i mean though.
What about cell phones?Ill give you 20 to 1 that there is more going on there then people fattening up fish.

WON BASSIN · Post by **WON BASSIN** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 8:32 am

Guys,

Again, I must state that the constructive criticism and reflective thoughts are all great and appreciated. We are reading and listening to all you have to say.

Gary's idea of a 7 fish limit for two anglers, and a 5 fish limit for solo anglers is a viable solution, but!!!! And here is the kicker, as Noluk so elegantly pointed out. There is a significant amount of data to support the fact that added fish in the live well, will add to lack of oxygen and will increase the amounts of ammonia in the live well, which will ultimately increase the mortality rate. The resource needs to be protected at all times.
Another factor in a 7 fish limit, for example is .... say John catches 5 fish, and Steve can't get a bite to save his life that day. Is John going to not catch another fish, or is he going to be tempted to catch that 6th and 7th fish. If you ask me it leaves to much room for error. Besides, if the solo guy can only catch 5 fish, then our one pound penalty doesn't sound so bad. Again, these tourneys were developed around the working man, and not the professionals. Although we openly accept them adding to the entries.

Besides, when this solo angler issue first came up a few weeks ago, on another thread, I explained that any change in the solo rule was not directly due to any cheating situation, rather due to safety reasons. We all remember a few weeks back, when the couple got ejected from their boat on the delta. Two people on a boat is just safer, ask Gary D. Let alone the fact that a solo angler has nobody to bail him or her out if there was some unforeseen medical condition that came up. God forbid, someone have a hart attack or stroke on a boat by themselves.

Keep the ideas and thoughts coming, they are not falling on deaf ears.

StockOption · Post by **StockOption** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 8:40 am

Perhaps you could have a team consist of two primary anglers and 1 or 2 alternate anglers?

bryanmc · Post by **bryanmc** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 8:40 am

WON BASSIN wrote: Besides, if the solo guy can only catch 5 fish, then our one pound penalty doesn't sound so bad.

I deleted most of this.....

So Bill, the penalty, or reduced limit is being assessed for people who fish alone for safety reasons??? You're really trying to fly that one?

OK

S. Bailey · Post by **S. Bailey** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 8:41 am

Bryan... as far as I can remember back there were no problems at all. I dont think many teams if any were not fishing due to a solo angler. Nobody I know did not fish because of the 5 fish limit .
When I said Billy has his work cut out for him I meant on pleasing everybody with the rule changes. And he really does. Im with most people out there and dont see a need to change. But the people above Billy Egan do . I understand that since WON Bass was the circuit that the cheater got busted in, that they feel its right to really try and do something to stop it. I have a feeling its a personal vendetta for WON Bass to make their tournament circuit is as honest as possible. I dont think the rule changes are out to hurt us but to help make this sport as honest as can be .
At least we are not totally banned from fishing solo and not being able to qualify for championships. For that I thank you Billy.

Shaun Bailey

TEAMDEADMONEY · Post by **TEAMDEADMONEY** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 9:26 am

My question for Bill and WON is this...Im not being sarcastic..this is a serious question that I simply can not find the answer to.....\
WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO REINVENT THE WHEEL??? IF THIS WHOLE TOPIC ISNT ABOUT CHEATING THEN WHY ON EARTH ARE YOU TRYING TO FIX SOMETHING THAT ISNT BROKEN.
The limit works well at 5 fish...period.. This whole 7 fish limit talk does not fix anything...simply put...7 Bass in the livewell increases the chance of weighing dead fish.
I cant for the life of me figure out why WON is trying to change something that isnt broke when they should be addressing the obvious problems they have at the moment, namely SCHEDULLING....FOR STARTERS.....schedule your tournaments accordingly and work with other Orgs to make sure you have dates for tournaments that dont fall DIRECTLY on other top orginizations TOC dates, pro Am dates and in region team tournaments.
ONCE you have the dates...DONT CHANGE THEM...
AND when you announce that your TOC will be at a certain lake...you better da.mn well keep it on that lake...and that date. Most of us work for a living and need to put in for vacation days with our job at OR NEAR the beginning of the year...

Simply put this year was a JOKE... all of your Southern area team anglers were told that your TOC was going to be at Havasu, then 3/4 the way through the season we were told that the TOC was going to be on "Another lake" on "another date".....and if that wasnt bad enough, once we found out where the other lake was, we also found out that your TOC (the TOC that most of us fished all year in the rain, sleet wind, sun just to qualify for) was going to be the SAME freaking weekend as the Championship for National Bass.

That was a Nice slap in the face for all of us here in the South...

And for this year I already here rumblings that your Inland Empire region is going to visit Lake Skinner OF ALL PLACES... Its like you people dont know that Lake Skinner is on the quaranteen list for DVL... And what that means is that if you have a tournament on SKINNER on the Saturday that you have it schedulled on then that person that puts his boat on Skinner on Saturday WILL NOT be allowed to put his boat on DVL that Sunday for the NBW event..Or you will force people to have to try to lie about being at Skinner the day before...And that isnt right, nor does it work, Just ask Dave Nollar about that from this year ..
That boat will need to be Quaranteened for 7 days per DVL rules... Its the same as if someone had their boat on Mead or Havasu.. Clean and Dry or not....Boats are NOT allowed on DVL for 7 days after being on an infected lake...So you are going to make us choose the Org we want to fish... And Ill tell you right now..WON, you will not win.
My point of all this isnt to Bash WON... Ive been a strong WON supporter since I started tournament fishing in 1998.
Ive been with them through the thick and thin... It just makes me sick to see them trying to change things that arent even broken when there are other much more serious issues that need to be addressed...

Pete

Leon Pugh · Post by **Leon Pugh** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 9:30 am

I would love to fish the upcoming hook event. Problems is seven fish limit and my partner can not fish that day.
Take a one pound hit when I am already at a disadvantage, no thanks. I am not that good. The best fix is to allow a alternate partner.

K Luby · Post by **K Luby** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 9:43 am

This idea of penilizing a dude that has to fish a "team" event by himself is completly rediculus. This guy is going out to a team event alone, he has one rod in the water. He has to launch his boat by himself. He has no net man. He has to livewell his fish. He has to weigh-in his fish alone. He has to get his boat out of the water alone. He has no one to talk to about strategy. I'm sure there is alot of other crap too. My point is he is already behind the eight ball and now you want to pile a penalty on top of that ?
Understand this there are guys out there that have supported WON for alot of years encluding myself and my partener Paul Aznarez (15 years) this rule "WILL NOT BE EXCEPTED". When a guy like Ray Coleman chimes in and says he is concidering leaving WON, I'm saying you better listen. You may not know who the hell Ray Coleman or his partener Dan Utan but WON BASS was built from guys like them. They support everything you do and are two of the best guys you will ever find.
I have never fished a tournement that I did not think I could win, this rule is telling me I can't. If this is your rule then I should only have to put in half the entry fee.
You are telling me that I have to tell my little girl that I can't go to her game on Saturday because WON BASS will penilies me. Brotha I'm a grown a$$ man that will never happen !!!!! I'll keep my money and watch my little girl.

WON BASSIN · Post by **WON BASSIN** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 10:04 am

Kevin...

I have had the opportunity to meet you a few times now, and take what you have to say to heart, as do I regarding the other comments. At this time, I will take everything said into consideration and determine what is fair and just in this case. We are not trying to re-invent the wheel, but merely improve on the treads. We do not want to loose anyone that has obviously supported us throughout the years, that was never our intention. Understanding that life happens and sometimes throws us curve balls, is part of the equation. S**t happens, and I for one having two little one's at home under the age of 4, know quit well, how it does happen. Rest assured that we are working on things to help improve our numbers and circuits. Your input as well as the others is much appreciated. I will be taking our rules home for the weekend, and going threw them with a fine tooth comb. Won will be releasing further information regarding our rules and schedules in the days to come. Please go to www.wonbass.com for further updates.

Hope everyone has a great weekend, and lands the fish of their life.

swank · Post by **swank** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 10:21 am

Is there any evidence of solo tournament angler's having safety problems? The buddy system is safer but i haven't seen any suggestions that work.

K Luby · Post by **K Luby** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 10:27 am

Bill, I have never had a problem with WON. I have been treated great always. This rule is just not right. In my life fishing is the curve ball not my little girls game. Fishing always comes last so being out on the water is tuff for me and alot of other guys I know. I won't be penalized for being a responsible dad.
Cheating = scum. You got him, let's move on.
Thank you Kevin Luby

bryanmc · Post by **bryanmc** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 10:30 am

WON BASSIN wrote: Won's official rule will state

Bill... Do you remember this line from your opening post in this thread, and everything you wrote after it?

Didn't sound like you were looking for ideas. And Harvey's statement sure didn't sound like it was about a safety issue.

bryanmc · Post by **bryanmc** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 10:38 am

S. Bailey wrote:I have a feeling its a personal vendetta for WON Bass to make their tournament circuit is as honest as possible. I dont think the rule changes are out to hurt us but to help make this sport as honest as can be .

Shaun... according to Billy, (his own post) this is about safety, not cheating. Frankly I've been around long enough, and so have you to recognize when somebody's back-peddling. I think they should have just left this alone.

WON BASSIN · Post by **WON BASSIN** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 10:57 am

bryanmc -

As I was the one that wrote it in the first place.... Obviously I remember it. But after getting so many e-mails and responses here on the forums both positive and negative, regarding this situation, I am leaving room for improvement. I just wanted to make sure that the people spreading the news that we would not be allowing solo anglers at all, was incorrect and unfounded.

I'm not Harvey! Harvey is and always will be an Icon of our sport, and we should all thank him for his lifetime of support in bringing competitive bass fishing to the West Coast.

kopper_bass · Post by **kopper_bass** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 1:20 pm

Pete and everyone,
Your not being called a cheaters.
What your being called is a whiners. all of you. -

How hard can this be?
This is TEAMS. if you cant fish as a team, then dont fish. If your partner cannot commit, get a better partner.
What if every Pro/Am guys said i want to fish, but i dont want an AM in my boat. Everyone would say, "then dont fish".
What if every father/son event some person wanted to fish alon, and had no kids, would that be OK?
What if a guy wanted to fish the women's only event; would that be OK?

Everyone is making all the excuses on why they dont want to fish a team event and instead they want to fish it solo. There is no place in TEAM events for guys who want to fish alone. That is not the format, that is not the purpose, and therefore, the rules should be that it's not allowed.

This is really why TEAM fishing sucks; nothing but a bunch of whiners where everyone looks ways to bend the rules to fit their own personal benefit and guys afraid to get off theif backyard ponds and fish a circuit.

If you want to fish teams, then get a partner, fish as a team, or get over it, and find another format to fish. Try club fishing.

Kopper

ps - pete, the frustration is not at you directly, its for everyone. i just liked that your lead in was "calling us cheaters". Peace!

Rich hamilton · Post by **Rich hamilton** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 1:21 pm

bryanmc · Post by **bryanmc** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 1:50 pm

kopper_bass wrote: This is TEAMS. if you cant fish as a team, then don't fish. If your partner cannot commit, get a better partner.

And if his dad dies and the funeral is on tournament day... tell him too f'n bad, get in the boat. And if he has to work unexpectedly, tell him too f'n bad, quit and get in the boat!

Get a grip kopper... nobody is saying they want to fish the whole series alone, but why should they be penalized when "life" happens and their partner can't make it?

fun4fish · Post by **fun4fish** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 3:42 pm

WON BASSIN wrote:bryanmc -

As I was the one that wrote it in the first place.... Obviously I remember it. But after getting so many e-mails and responses here on the forums both positive and negative, regarding this situation, I am leaving room for improvement. I just wanted to make sure that the people spreading the news that we would not be allowing solo anglers at all, was incorrect and unfounded.

I'm not Harvey! Harvey is and always will be an Icon of our sport, and we should all thank him for his lifetime of support in bringing competitive bass fishing to the West Coast.

Just curious how long have you been fishing tournaments? Not an attack just wondered how much experience you have.

bryanmc · Post by **bryanmc** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 4:01 pm

I started fishing tournaments in 1980. Fished US Bass until they folded and have fished WON Bass teams since they began, along with a bunch of other stuff. So short answer, about 30 years. Is that enough experience for you?

-edit- Just realized, maybe you were asking Bill....

Robert F · Post by **Robert F** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 4:19 pm

bryanmc wrote:
kopper_bass wrote: This is TEAMS. if you cant fish as a team, then don't fish. If your partner cannot commit, get a better partner.
And if his dad dies and the funeral is on tournament day... tell him too f'n bad, get in the boat. And if he has to work unexpectedly, tell him too f'n bad, quit and get in the boat!

Get a grip kopper... nobody is saying they want to fish the whole series alone, but why should they be penalized when "life" happens and their partner can't make it?

You kidding me? You're going to fish a team event solo on your dad's/ team partner's funeral day? Ask for your money back and don't fish if your team partner is not available. Pretty simple stuff.

fun4fish · Post by **fun4fish** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 4:23 pm

bryanmc wrote:I started fishing tournaments in 1980. Fished US Bass until they folded and have fished WON Bass teams since they began, along with a bunch of other stuff. So short answer, about 30 years. Is that enough experience for you?

-edit- Just realized, maybe you were asking Bill....

thanks but I was asking Bill

bryanmc · Post by **bryanmc** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 4:39 pm

Robert F wrote:You kidding me? You're going to fish a team event solo on your dad's/ team partner's funeral day? Ask for your money back and don't fish if your team partner is not available. Pretty simple stuff.

Those were just examples of what could happen. I notice you avoided the unexpected call to work or million other things that could make a partner unavailable. Pretty simple stuff...

Personally, I hope they decide nobody fishes alone, no excuses, no tears. Too bad if you were up front for AOY and your partner can't make it for whatever reason. No observer, no throw-out, no nothing, you lose. Black and white. No extra stress on the fish by having seven in the box, no safety issues. How's that for no whining allowed.

I say BRING IT!!!

Robert F · Post by **Robert F** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 4:50 pm

Just pointing out how ridiculous this subject has gotten. I say fish A/C. They are circling like sharks over this thing. Linehan is not going to make anybody fish dead.

Anyways you and Pete are making a big play at my "most negative person in fishing" title.

Guy Williams · Post by **Guy Williams** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 4:52 pm

bryanmc wrote:
Robert F wrote:You kidding me? You're going to fish a team event solo on your dad's/ team partner's funeral day? Ask for your money back and don't fish if your team partner is not available. Pretty simple stuff.
Those were just examples of what could happen. I notice you avoided the unexpected call to work or million other things that could make a partner unavailable. Pretty simple stuff...

Personally, I hope they decide nobody fishes alone, no excuses, no tears. Too bad if you were up front for AOY and your partner can't make it for whatever reason. No observer, no throw-out, no nothing, you lose. Black and white. No extra stress on the fish by having seven in the box, no safety issues. How's that for no whining allowed.

I say BRING IT!!!

For Pro-Am's also since a "Pro" fished alone at the Mead event that just passed.
Guy Williams

Ricky-S · Post by **Ricky-S** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 4:59 pm

Hey Billy,
I agree that you have your work cut out for you. Welcome to the big leagues buddy.

Regardless of what decision that you make you are bound to make someone unhappy. I do agree that you will never stop someone that wants to cheat from cheating.

What ever decision(s) that you make, I hope that it is about building the sport and making the events fun.

Robert F · Post by **Robert F** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 5:06 pm

You guys might want to look to last year's FLW Series standings to see the consequences of a simple rule. Joey Cap. practices with somebody who is not entered in the tournament and is DQ'ed from the last event at Clear Lake. By missing the event he misses qualification for the Forrest Wood Cup giving Kevin Hawk the final qualification spot from the Series. The rest is history.

Sometimes one team's misfortune is another team's opportunity. Why should the other teams be short changed by another's allowance to fish with one angler? They are all committing to have BOTH show up for every event. I say know the rules, make them easy to follow and sort'em out on race day.

bryanmc · Post by **bryanmc** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 5:08 pm

Robert F wrote:Anyways you and Pete are making a big play at my "most negative person in fishing" title.

And coming from you that's like making the big leagues...

bryanmc · Post by **bryanmc** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 5:11 pm

Robert F wrote: Sometimes one team's misfortune is another team's opportunity. Why should the other teams be short changed by another's allowance to fish with one angler?

How do you compare a rule violation to fishing alone?

Are you for real? Do you even read the stuff you write? Why should 2 guys be shortchanged by fishing against one guy?? Really??

Robert F · Post by **Robert F** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 5:19 pm

Why should one team be allowed to show up with half a TEAM to compete in a TEAM event?

Seriously, A/C has said they are going to welcome solos with open arms. Let WON decide how they are going to run their events.

bryanmc · Post by **bryanmc** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 5:32 pm

I'm all for that... BTW, AC merely said they're not going to penalize you if your partner can't make it.

So, you're saying if the Cowboys show up with 6 guys and the forty niners show up with 11, the Cowboys have an advantage? Oh wait, maybe that's not the best example... LOL

Levy · Post by **Levy** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 5:35 pm

kopper_bass wrote:Pete and everyone,
Your not being called a cheaters.
What your being called is a whiners. all of you. -

How hard can this be?
This is TEAMS. if you cant fish as a team, then dont fish. If your partner cannot commit, get a better partner.
What if every Pro/Am guys said i want to fish, but i dont want an AM in my boat. Everyone would say, "then dont fish".
What if every father/son event some person wanted to fish alon, and had no kids, would that be OK?
What if a guy wanted to fish the women's only event; would that be OK?

Everyone is making all the excuses on why they dont want to fish a team event and instead they want to fish it solo. There is no place in TEAM events for guys who want to fish alone. That is not the format, that is not the purpose, and therefore, the rules should be that it's not allowed.

This is really why TEAM fishing sucks; nothing but a bunch of whiners where everyone looks ways to bend the rules to fit their own personal benefit and guys afraid to get off theif backyard ponds and fish a circuit.

If you want to fish teams, then get a partner, fish as a team, or get over it, and find another format to fish. Try club fishing.

Kopper

ps - pete, the frustration is not at you directly, its for everyone. i just liked that your lead in was "calling us cheaters". Peace!

Finally a voice of reason.

Robert F · Post by **Robert F** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 5:58 pm

bryanmc wrote:So, you're saying if the Cowboys show up with 6 guys and the forty niners show up with 11, the Cowboys have an advantage? Oh wait, maybe that's not the best example... LOL

Not sure the Cowboys have an advantage even if they are not whistled for twelve this year.

Just saying WONBass makes the rules for their events and we deal with it. They are just expanding the existing rule that says a TEAM will only fish three solo events before they are not considered a TEAM and do not get TOC points. Obviously WON has a reason why they feel compelled to change the rule. I am sure it is not just to piss people off.

Sorry Bryan. I did miss that important word.

bryanmc · Post by **bryanmc** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 6:15 pm

Actually Robert, THIS is what the rule says:

No Team/Angler may fish more than 3 team tournaments solo without a partner. Anglers fishing more than 3 events in region solo will not have their points counted towards the year end points race.

Cooch · Post by **Cooch** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 8:06 pm

This is purty funny to sit and read all this. Most of the guys who have voiced their opinions on this thread, probably never fished Team tournaments in the 70s, 80's and early 90s here in California. Back then, there were 100 boat fields and were no one or two lake regions. The limits were all 7 fish, and the mortality rate was better then with lesser equiptment in our boats. If yer partner couldn't make it, you sucked it up and tried to win with 5 fish, no questions asked, nobody complained. Team fishing events, are just that, team events.

Team fishing tournaments got broken in the early 90's, by all the rule changes then, to support the whining baby boomers of the 70s & 80s. Where was all the "why fix something that's not broken" way back when?

Gary Dobyns · Post by **Gary Dobyns** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 9:02 pm

[quote="Cooch"]This is purty funny to sit and read all this. Most of the guys who have voiced their opinions on this thread, probably never fished Team tournaments in the 70s, 80's and early 90s here in California. Back then, there were 100 boat fields and were no one or two lake regions. The limits were all 7 fish, and the mortality rate was better then with lesser equiptment in our boats. If yer partner couldn't make it, you sucked it up and tried to win with 5 fish, no questions asked, nobody complained. Team fishing events, are just that, team events.

Team fishing tournaments got broken in the early 90's, by all the rule changes then, to support the whining baby boomers of the 70s & 80s. Where was all the "why fix something that's not broken" way back when?[/quote]

Cooch, we fished 10 fish limits for a long time in teams. We had fields of 150 to 180 boats.

bryanmc · Post by **bryanmc** » Sat Sep 18, 2010 2:42 pm

Cooch wrote:The limits were all 7 fish, and the mortality rate was better then with lesser equiptment in our boats.

Really Andy? Back in the days of front livewells, smaller pumps and no chemicals, you could cram more fish in the livewell with lower fish mortality?

Amazing....

While no one can question your or Gary's credentials, bigger limits were not the reason for bigger turnouts. If it were that simple, the orgs would go back to 10 fish limits and have 100 boat fields.

Remember, the guys who used to drag dead fish to butcher scales on metal stringers thought that was the cat's a$$ too.

This whole discussion is about whether a team should be penalized because one member can't make it to a tournament. It's not about whether guys should be able to fish whole "team" circuits solo (I don't think anyone wants that).

It's either you can fish on equal ground if your partner can't make it, or, nobody fishes alone. Why try to make it less attractive... It should be either you can or you can't... period.

Buzzbommer · Post by **Buzzbommer** » Sat Sep 18, 2010 11:31 pm

G-dang right Bryanmc... It is a black/white issue and everyone around seems to be dodging it like a bullet...

If you enter as a team, you fish as one. If your partner can't show then tuff. If you both can't commit, then don't. I'm so tired of reading the excuses... my wife and I had a fight, I had to work, my partner had to work, I am on call as a whatever... it's rediculous.

My brother and father are currently fishing as a team and guess what...? If one of em' can't show then they can't enter. And they're fine with that as they understand how rules work. And they compare schedules far ahead to keep these conflicts from happening. Allowance for emergencies is one thing, but if there is a real emergency then fishing won't be on the minds of those involved, I'm sure...

Commit to this sport or don't. It's hard for me to disagree with alot of people on this site because I value everyone's opinions, but when is a rule gonna be a rule...? When is WON gonna nut up and make it a rule...?

I personally keep hearing different things from WON... like, 'we're gonna go after this cheater with all we got...' then they got nothin'. 'His punishment could be no worse than having to live day to day with the choice he made.' Huh...? That's booty son...

Now with the whole confusion of a simple team fishing rule...?

I implore WON to make it clear. Team fishing, a rule or not...? Are they gonna both show up or be off like a fart in the wind...?

If anyone on this site is offended by my rant, I apologize. I really do love this sport and (believe it or not) care what you all think. I am a fisherman as well and share the common interests of us all...

I don't claim to be the 'smart guy', just wan't to be sure of the rules... If I'm missing anything then please set me straight... thanx...ChrisR

Caudawg · Post by **Caudawg** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 3:52 am

Just tossing an idea out there...but what about having one throw-out event, keeping the best 6 out of 7 events.?

This may solve the occasional issue where one partner can't make it to one event and the team has to skip that event.

It's not a new concept...but maybe it's been forgotten? It also compels anglers to fish all of the events in that region because it adds a wildcard factor for those on the edge of qualifying for a TOC.

2ndsuks · Post by **2ndsuks** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 5:54 am

Cooch wrote: This is purty funny to sit and read all this. Most of the guys who have voiced their opinions on this thread, probably never fished Team tournaments in the 70s,

Gary Dobyns wrote:
Cooch, we fished 10 fish limits for a long time in teams. We had fields of 150 to 180 boats.

Just curious guys, were those steam powered Merc's and Evinrude's back then?

ASD · Post by **ASD** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 8:56 am

2ndsuks wrote:
Cooch wrote: This is purty funny to sit and read all this. Most of the guys who have voiced their opinions on this thread, probably never fished Team tournaments in the 70s,

Gary Dobyns wrote:
Cooch, we fished 10 fish limits for a long time in teams. We had fields of 150 to 180 boats.
Just curious guys, were those steam powered Merc's and Evinrude's back then?

I think they used row boats

Rich hamilton · Post by **Rich hamilton** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 3:45 pm

Schneider Fishing · Post by **Schneider Fishing** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 5:57 pm

I'm thinking a 7 fish limit with a throw-out for qualifying for the fish off. Anglers of the year are straight points. No throw outs. 7 fish limit for teams. 5 fish limit if you go solo. The solo could be the trow-out for qualifying for the TOC. But it's a team event so the best team over ALL the events are the AOY.
Just a thought.

NaCl · Post by **NaCl** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 6:16 pm

Gary Dobyns wrote:
Cooch, we fished 10 fish limits for a long time in teams. We had fields of 150 to 180 boats.

...and we had NO one-lake circuits. Everybody traveled and had to do good on 6-7 different bodies of water to make the TOC. To tell the truth, it was more fun back then.

Rich hamilton · Post by **Rich hamilton** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 6:36 pm

Great to hear from you salt, hope you and the family are well

mike goodwin · Post by **mike goodwin** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 7:49 pm

Enough already, this is how it's going to be. We are leaving
everything the way it was and get back to having fun and
trusting that each other will do the right thing.

Cheater's ALL GET CAUGHT SOONER OR LATER

Gary Dobyns, 7 bass was and is a great idea......MG

Buzzbommer · Post by **Buzzbommer** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 11:59 pm

Hey Rich Hamilton...

I respect your opinion also, but to cast a dispersion on my lifestyle is childish. I simply asked WON to make a rule, a rule. And as far as my living concerns go, I'm very proud of them and work hard to maintain them. And wherever that dirty cheater resides is of no importance to this thread. Besides, we all know anyway. I would think that requesting full clarity of a rule would be a GOOD THING, especially in our sport...

Sounds to me... like you are fed up with WON as much as I am, and don't even realize it...

'Grey areas' are what arouse questions and mis-conceptions which lead to pages of confusion and unclarifications like this one.

And whatever you said about that big wave in the perfect storm was weird. Not too sure I follow... they all died, right...? Scary...

Ceaser · Post by **Ceaser** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 5:28 am

Gotta agree with cooch on the 7 fish survival. In the 90's when i fished and they were 7 fish limits I dont remember any more mortality rates. And now our livewell systems are far superior to the old ones. Mortality rates come into effect even with catch and release. And ammonia rates and water contamination from over crowding is an issue reguardless of the number of fish. But i am sure this issue will press on in this soap opera of tournament fishing.

1biggbass · Post by **1biggbass** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 8:25 am

I stopped fishing WON Bass teams years ago because I didnt feel like donating to the Mike Long Foundation.Now I might fish again if this rule is implemented.Funny how he only wins solo.

Rick G · Post by **Rick G** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 8:43 am

1biggbass wrote:I stopped fishing WON Bass teams years ago because I didnt feel like donating to the Mike Long Foundation.Now I might fish again if this rule is implemented.Funny how he only wins solo.

Wow, I guess John Kerr and Buck should turn in all their plaques they won WITH Mike. Sometimes the best just win. But unless you or anyone else have proof otherwise, just stop. Is he a great stick? Yes, the best EVER to come out of SD. Does he think outside the box? Yes, and he has more custom tackle than all of us combined. Have I seen him catch fish? Bet your A$$. At Jennings Kyle and I saw him catch 63lbs! For 5!. Can sight fish as good as anyone if not better and understands big fish movement better than anyone I have ever seen. Is he my friend? Yes, and I am proud to say so. Rick G.

Rich hamilton · Post by **Rich hamilton** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 8:55 am

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