New Tournament Bag Rule for 2009?

Vernonn · Post by **Vernonn** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 12:57 pm

For tournaments, do the DFG regulations require that we bring up separate bags for up to 5 pounds total weight per bag of black bass?

Is this for all lakes in the California?

ABA FOLSOM · Post by **ABA FOLSOM** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 1:06 pm

Yes this is supposed to be the new rule being enforced this year.

sean alarid · Post by **sean alarid** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 1:07 pm

As far as I know right now that is true. My anglers choice T.O.C. back in October made us do the same thing, for the reason of us getting used to it.
I'm not sure when it comes into place though...

fishinp · Post by **fishinp** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 1:38 pm

Get used to it , its the law...But tell me how good you'd feel..walking to the scales with 5 bags!!!

tunaman · Post by **tunaman** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 1:49 pm

Depends on how far you have to walk... last tournament at Clear Lake, I was about wiped out by the time I hit the scale line!

I think it's a great rule though, and should help further preserve the resource.

Roger

sean alarid · Post by **sean alarid** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 1:54 pm

fishinp wrote:But tell me how good you'd feel..walking to the scales with 5 bags!!!

It could make you feel good till you weigh in and finish half way down the pack... lol
Good Ideal though, cant argue that.

bassindon69 · Post by **bassindon69** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 3:12 pm

So if one is 10 lbs to you have to double bag it?

Don.

sTony · Post by **sTony** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 3:17 pm

fishinp wrote:Get used to it , its the law...But tell me how good you'd feel..walking to the scales with 5 bags!!!

If you have five bags then you still will have a great feeling cause it'll be five fish 5 pounds or more each, correct?

I understand where DFG is coming from on this, if you got a couple 2.5 pounders they need to be in a bag together and no more. Makes sense to me.

To date I've rarely had to worry about the ten pounder but it'd be in it's own bag as well.

sTony

sean alarid · Post by **sean alarid** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 3:25 pm

sTony wrote:
fishinp wrote:Get used to it , its the law...But tell me how good you'd feel..walking to the scales with 5 bags!!!
If you have five bags then you still will have a great feeling cause it'll be five fish 5 pounds or more each, correct?

sTony

Not really Tony. If you have all 3 ponders they all have to be in separate bags. 5 pounds of fish in 1 bag is maxed.
So if you have 5 fish for 6 pounds you have a 2 bagger. lol

Brian · Post by **Brian** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 3:36 pm

bassindon69 wrote:So if one is 10 lbs to you have to double bag it?

Don.

Hahhah that is funny right there..........

Vernonn · Post by **Vernonn** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 3:41 pm

At somewhere like Oroville, you'd need 2 to 3 bags because the normal weights range from 8 to 14 pounds per limit.

Then, if you fished somewhere like Clear Lake and you get a limit of clone 3 pounders, you'd need 5 bags - each with water - you might need two guys per boat to bring up the fish because it's a little heavy. This could slow down the weigh-in because everyone has to tie up and walk up carrying bags of water.........

The tournament orgs might have to provide bags with wheels.

griz01 · Post by **griz01** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 3:46 pm

Where can I get that specific info? thanks

ash · Post by **ash** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 4:56 pm

IF you have a ten pounder you need to saw it in half so you only have five pounds per bag

Terry Smith · Post by **Terry Smith** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 5:08 pm

THIS SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 5 pounds per bag???? WTF???????? Is DFG going to check to see if we are .50lbs over per bag????? CA. is going to HELL I'm telling you!!!!!!!! TO HELL

This state is running itself out of buisness. &%$#$% LOBBIEST!!!!!!!! CAN S^%K MY FISHING ROD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

g-man · Post by **g-man** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 5:16 pm

this rule is already in effect! I had to do it at last years snag proof, and in the 100% tourneys..

Guyle · Post by **Guyle** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 5:18 pm

g-man wrote:this rule is already in effect! I had to do it at last years snag proof, and in the 100% tourneys..

No it's not. It will be sometime in March.

Brian D. · Post by **Brian D.** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 5:20 pm

Go to most any weigh-in and you'll frequently see bags of of fish with about 3-in of water barely covering the fishs' back. Not good for the fish especially if there is any sort of line.

If it can be done, a drive-by weigh-in is best.

green_monster · Post by **green_monster** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 5:21 pm

What if I don't carry a scale? What if I only use a balance beam? Sometimes a 2lber looks like a 4lber. Are you guys going to buy 4 more bags? Man alive. Everyone is going to be carrying 3 to 5 bags for every tournament.

Terry Smith · Post by **Terry Smith** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 5:24 pm

I've had 5 bags in my boat since I bought it just haven't had A chance to use them all at 1 weigh-in

hehhhhehehheBWWWAHHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

kmurphy · Post by **kmurphy** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 5:37 pm

Here is the language regarding the issue in question. It is part of the SPECIAL CONDITIONS FOR CONTESTS CONDUCTED
UNDER ANNUAL OR EVENT PERMITS provided to all black bass fishing contest applicants issued permits for 2009 tournaments.

5. When weighing in, bass shall be transported to and from the weigh-in site in water-filled containers such as heavy-duty plastic bags. No more than about five pounds of bass shall be placed in a single container.

6. Bass shall be held at all times with sufficient water to cover the fish, except during the actual measuring/weighing process. Fish shall held in plastic bags no longer than three (3) minutes prior to or after the weigh-in unless the water in that bag is replenished. The same number of containers designated in (5) above shall be used to take them to the release point. Tournament organizers shall ensure that all fish are handled expeditiously in a manner that maximizes the survival of all fish.

This rule is to be implemented at all black bass fishing contests beginning January 1, 2009.

Guyle · Post by **Guyle** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 5:47 pm

I suppose the standard size of tournament bags can be reduced, no need to put a 3 pounder in a full size bag.

Robert F · Post by **Robert F** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 5:55 pm

Why so much concern over survival of a fish that they deem a pest on the Delta?

RichThiel · Post by **RichThiel** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 6:23 pm

In reference to Kmurphy's post. The Three minute rule that will go into effect "Now" or "March".

In a 3 minute time slot, I've timed Tournament Directors in the 3 minuted period. They can do about 3 tournament teams in that period.

Thus, A tournament Director will have to have a controlled amount of fisherman at the Tubs. In my opinion it will require two additional personal to operate this new law, one on the tubs and one on the docks with walkie talkies or some kind of communications.

If the TD doesn't seem to get it or he doesn't go with the program, he may get fined by DFG. Amount of fine, I don't know.

Rich Thiel

Terry Smith · Post by **Terry Smith** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 6:37 pm

3 minute rule OOOOOOOOOHHHHHHH BOY!!!!!!!!!!! thats going to be RUFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't know if I can walk from my boat to your deck in 3 minutes Rich

I'm getting OLD!!!!

RichThiel · Post by **RichThiel** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 7:14 pm

3 minutes once your at the tub Terry.

Elvis · Post by **Elvis** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 8:00 pm

Sounds like a good rule but it could be alot of bags

Jay Rowan · Post by **Jay Rowan** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 8:38 pm

3 min rule has been in effect since at least March of 97 which is when the last set of special conditions for bass tournaments was put out.
3 min from the time the fish is first put in the bag to the time it goes into the release boat or back in the water. BASS did a study in the 80's or early 90's that showed oxygen consumption rates based on the weight of bass in a given amount of water at a given temperature. I believe that is where that 3 min rule came from.
It's up to the TD and the anglers to know the rules. A copy is sent out with every permit issued. TD's should be discussing them with the anglers in their tournaments, and members of their clubs. They haven't changed much in so long I think people just assume that everyone knows them.
If your getting ready to bag your fish and there is already 6-7 people in line, just wait a few min. wipe down the boat, then bag your fish up. Larger tournaments should probably have someone helping direct traffic, or even better provide a limited number of bags and only allow fish to be weighed in those bags.
Drive up weigh-ins do make it much easier in most cases and are required now at Diamond Valley.

If any of the mod's would like a copy of the new for 09 special conditions as well as the new Quagga/Zebra conditions to post up I can provide e-copies.

Vernonn · Post by **Vernonn** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 11:36 am

tunaman wrote:Depends on how far you have to walk... last tournament at Clear Lake, I was about wiped out by the time I hit the scale line!

I think it's a great rule though, and should help further preserve the resource.

Roger

5 bags, each with a gallon of water in it, will be well over 40 pounds total (1 gal of water = 8.35 pounds).

Consider Russos and walking up the ramp and over the levee to the weigh station with all that water. Weigh in will be a team effort.

WELDER DUDE · Post by **WELDER DUDE** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 4:50 pm

Is a spot and smallmouth a "black bass"???

g-man · Post by **g-man** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 5:02 pm

Guyle wrote:
g-man wrote:this rule is already in effect! I had to do it at last years snag proof, and in the 100% tourneys..
No it's not. It will be sometime in March.

well if its not then how come snag proof, and 100% said it was the new rule, and I have already been doing it last year. 5 pounds per bag is what they said you had to do.

BIG DADDY BLUE RANGER · Wed Jan 07, 2009 5:09 pm

WELDER DUDE wrote:Is a spot and smallmouth a "black bass"???

Yes... along w largies and a few other less common species.....

tourney guys just kinda got used to referring to largemouths as blacks in waters that also hold smallies and/or spots

I'm in favor of the new rule...... it's better for the fish plain and simple

BIG DADDY BLUE RANGER · Wed Jan 07, 2009 5:17 pm

Guyle wrote:I suppose the standard size of tournament bags can be reduced

Only if I can't cull out all yer fish during the day

3.22lbs

that's not a fish

Guyle · Post by **Guyle** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 5:30 pm

g-man wrote: well if its not then how come snag proof, and 100% said it was the new rule, and I have already been doing it last year. 5 pounds per bag is what they said you had to do.

Let me rephrase: It was not the law when they had you do it , it was just thier rule.

Guyle · Post by **Guyle** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 5:38 pm

BIG DADDY BLUE RANGER wrote:
Guyle wrote:I suppose the standard size of tournament bags can be reduced
Only if I can't cull out all yer fish during the day

3.22lbs that's not a fish

If I needed more or bigger fish I would have. I did not want to unnecessarily stress your other fish. I mean my other fish.....doh

You will get your chance to take MY crown this spring.

Your Truly:
Topnut.........oh yeah..... and Bignut

Scott Shambre · Post by **Scott Shambre** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 5:41 pm

Someone needs to tell WON then, in an article in the 2008 Bass Anglers Guide page 88, Hutch tells us in his article to :

"have your fish bagged prior to your vehicle arriving at the scales. Don't wait until you are parked in front of the stage to get out and try to get your 5 fish bagged while holding up everyone else. Do it in advance even if you're a solo angler."

Sounds like the fish would be in the bags longer than 3 minutes.

g-man · Post by **g-man** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 9:59 am

Guyle wrote:
g-man wrote: well if its not then how come snag proof, and 100% said it was the new rule, and I have already been doing it last year. 5 pounds per bag is what they said you had to do.
Let me rephrase: It was not the law when they had you do it , it was just thier rule.

ahhhhhh! Got it..

Cooch · Post by **Cooch** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 4:01 pm

Guyle wrote:
g-man wrote:this rule is already in effect! I had to do it at last years snag proof, and in the 100% tourneys..
No it's not. It will be sometime in March.

Although it may not be official by DFG's date, it is indeed a rule tournament orgs are implimenting and have been doing so at the two events Jason mentioned here. Damn, ya think a TopNut would know this stuff! HAR! HAR! HAR!

It's about an asinine a rule as the DFG has ever come up with. Course, I'm sure their reasoning behind it is they simpley can not get all the tournament orgs to provide enough tanks and water flow to support the way it's been done. But hey, It's California, where we let orgs run over the DFG and ban trout plants. We're they can't seem to police our waters ways where a group of anglers are over harvesting and raping all our fisheries. Where our liscenses increase 15-20% every year, and a Striper stamp now becomes a Bay/Delta stamp to squeeze more dollars out of the public.

Go write the new president about this, he's a man of change right? Ah STFU Cooch, go back to yer lil river tub and go fishin.

Jon · Post by **Jon** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 6:01 pm

Unless you are too weak to carry 5 bags to the scale!!!!!!!!!!!

tunaman · Post by **tunaman** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 6:08 pm

Kinda like to see you try carrying 5 bags of 5 pounders, with sufficient water, from the dock here, or at Clear Lake for example, to the weigh in - I'd be impressed. Especially if they're the regulation bags, without handles, that the organizations typically have used in the past. Heck, even with the heavy bags with handles I'd still be impressed.

Roger

g-man · Post by **g-man** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 6:12 pm

tunaman wrote:Kinda like to see you try carrying 5 bags of 5 pounders, with sufficient water, from the dock here, or at Clear Lake for example, to the weigh in - I'd be impressed. Especially if they're the regulation bags, without handles, that the organizations typically have used in the past. Heck, even with the heavy bags with handles I'd still be impressed.

Roger

I'd do it with a rum, and coke in my hand!

Something tells me that with my fishing skills I won't have to prove it!!!

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