Fair and balanced reporting

Rod Martin · Post by **Rod Martin** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 3:08 am

Just sent to me, feel I must put it out there.

SEAN HANNITY, OF HANNITY & COLMES ~ FOX NEWS, IS GOING TO AIR A VERY
IMPORTANT DOCUMENTARY ABOUT BARACK OBAMA, SUNDAY NIGHT AT 9:00 PM. HE STATED ON THE AIR THIS EVENING THAT NO ONE IN THE NEWS MEDIA WAS WILLING TO DO THIS.
HANNITY IS GOING BACK TO OBAMA'S EARLIER DAYS, SHOWING EVEN THEN HIS TIES TO RADICAL PROFESSORS, FRIENDS, SPIRITUAL ADVISERS, Etc., HE STATED THIS EVENING THAT HE WILL SHOW IN DETAIL HIS TIES TO REV. WRIGHT FOR 20+ YRS (which we all know) HOW HE WAS PARTICIPATING WITH THIS MAN, AND NOT FOR THE REASONS HE
STATES! HE HAS UNCOVERED MORE OF OBAMA'S RADICAL LEADERS AND WE WILL SEE THINGS THAT NO ONE IN THE MEDIA IS WILLING TO PUT OUT THERE.; THIS WILL BE A
NIGHT THAT YOU WILL KNOW MORE ABOUT OBAMA THAN EVER BEFORE. HANNITY IS VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS PROGRAM AND ASKED THAT EVERYONE PLEASE, PLEASE WATCH~~ SUNDAY NIGHT, 9 PM.

HANNITY IS DETERMINED THIS INFORMATION BE PUT OUT THERE BECAUSE AS
AMERICAN'S, WE STILL DO NOT KNOW ABOUT OBAMA!! WAKE UP AMERICA !! THIS IS SERIOUS, EVERYONE. I KNOW MOST OF YOU WATCH FOX NEWS, AND YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE VOTING FOR, BUT IF YOU CAN, PLEASE PASS THIS ON TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW. THIS IS CRITICAL FOR OUR COUNTRY. MY PRAYER IS THAT WE, ALONG WITH SEAN HANNITY, WILL
REACH SOMEONE/ANYONE BEFORE NOV. 4th.
WE MUST NOT GIVE UP!!!!!!!!!

sTony · Post by **sTony** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 6:18 am

The name Sean Hannity and the words Fair and Balanced are mutually exclusive terms.

sTony

Fishin' Dave · Post by **Fishin' Dave** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 6:33 am

Pawn Vanity??

Good luck with that. I bet Jimmy Carter will give a fair and balanced report on Hugo Chavez too

Dan McKenzie · Post by **Dan McKenzie** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 7:16 am

Fair and Balanced. It isn't fair to pair these words in the same paragraph as Sean Hannity.

Fishin' Dave · Post by **Fishin' Dave** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 7:25 am

that's what I was saying.

Marty · Post by **Marty** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 7:25 am

Is that the same thing as the name sTony and the word Moderator are mutually exclusive terms?

Fishin' Dave · Post by **Fishin' Dave** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 9:07 am

Marty wrote:Is that the same thing as the name sTony and the word Moderator are mutually exclusive terms?

this qualifies for a one week ban!

Andy Lippert · Post by **Andy Lippert** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 11:20 am

Sean Hannity isn't meant to be fair and balanced, alone. That is why he is coupled with Alan Colmes to make the show "Hannity and Colmes". I'm fairly sure this is obvious to you all, however, some of you frequently bash him for taking a conservative stance, claiming that he isn't supposed to do so. Why is this? News Flash: Sean Hannity is a conservative commentator.

Either way...I'll be watching Sunday night. Should be good. I'm glad to see that SOMEONE is finally stepping out there and questioning the radical ties that obama has had for his entire adult life. His feeble attempts to act "middle of the road" and to try and relate himself to middle America, haven't fooled me for a minute...It's just too bad that so many have taken the bait.

Andy Lippert

Dan McKenzie · Post by **Dan McKenzie** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 12:26 pm

ha ha ha radical ties, I guess it's radical to work with people from all walks of life. I'm sure you know everything about everyone you've had dealings with? I doubt it. I ask just one question, did he do anything, or was he accussed of any wrongdoing during the time in question. The answer is NO, so is it guilt by association? We know that there is no crime, no long term friendship, only a working association from years past. Just about every person I know could be guilty of something like this. It's a crazy accusation, it's absurd to even persue, this is right down Hannity lane. Enjoy the broadcast.

Rod Martin · Post by **Rod Martin** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 12:53 pm

Its funny, talk to a McCain supporter, most will admit hes not the best at all things. Or the most honest person in the world. He AND most of us have faults.

Obama would appear not to have any faults, and if you thought he might, his cult follers would browbeat you untill you were afraid say anything

good thing we have proud right wing morons that are too dumb to know not to question the Great Obama.

CharlieS. · Post by **CharlieS.** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 1:09 pm

I guess "BO" can be considered the 2nd human version of teflon ,since nothing has stuck to him. The broadcast should be atleast as amusing as whats been on tv normally . Perfect as an angel (mesiah?) I kinda doubt ,although some somehow defend him and his "message" in such a way . I also have noticed that any objection gets not the "well he is still better" answer ,its more like "HOW DARE YOU QUESTION " He is a lawyer first and formost

. That turns me off by itself. Not saying there isnt a need for attys ....OJ needed one 13 years ago ,and he did ok for another 13 years. Then again...even his teflon wore away .... See -I didnt even say anything directly negative ..

Marty · Post by **Marty** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 1:12 pm

Rod â€“ did you call me?

Dan McKenzie · Post by **Dan McKenzie** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 1:32 pm

I don't think anyone believes that Obama is faultless. I do think people are trying to make something out of nothing with Ayers. I have always disagreed with guilt by association. If I have a friend who has broken the law, yet I remain his friend, does his guilt somehow lesson the person that I am? Of course it doesn't. Let's face it McCain is desperate otherwise he would not have been out there peddling "he pals around with terrorists" it's absurd to believe that, it's even more absurd to say it.

Don't like him or his policies, that's fine, but to make this out to be anything more than he knows the guy is wrong. Isn't America about innocent until proven guilty, where is the guilt in knowing someone, who did despicable acts, but at an earlier time in their life, now engaged in worthwhile causes to help better other people.

I know plenty of you don't like him, will latch on to anything to discredit him. Then why haven't any of you discredited McCain for the very same things? Being involved with Keating, having a father-in-law who was convicted of multiple felonies, being a known associate of Joe Banono, illicit affairs with muliple women, leaving a disabled wife for another woman, etc.... If you can swallow all of this, then more power to you.

So this is it, he knew Ayers, so what? Did they hatch some devious plan together? Did they hang out in bars? Go to each other parties? talk about the good old days of the weather underground? No, it's only the fact they knew each other.

CharlieS. · Post by **CharlieS.** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:09 pm

Its a case of guilt by association ,thats for sure...Look at Omans cry of the identical thing with McCain and Bush...."If you like the last ..etc..etc.... As far as O's Policies....where was his policy involving his own state ? Economy wise..clueless .McCain may not be much better I admit ,but jmho--isnt any worse. It irks me to no end when one side blows there own horn ,yet doesn't actually know the music in the song . If O was infact as great as the hype...there be no one that could think otherwise. Truth be known....the one that spends less will have the most success . Period. Since one side promises something to everyone,.spending less seems unlikely .

Rod Martin · Post by **Rod Martin** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:14 pm

Dan go back look at yours and all the other lefties posts, change the name to McCain its the same stuff.

I would love to judge Obama on his past , Put out here for us.

Not what He says he will do. Give what he has done

Nothing. He votes present, The only bill I know he sponsered , really his name was added after all the work was done.

So I can only judge Obama on the people he hangs with.
ans they dont look all that good

Dan McKenzie · Post by **Dan McKenzie** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:43 pm

I disagree entirely. Accusing your opponent of palling around with terrorists was wrong, just plain wrong. Obama could have said those things and thrown this in McCains face early on, he didn't. Knowing someone and cheating on your wives is not the same. Taking expensive vacations and hefty contributions from a guy like Keating is not the same. He could have said the guy sends birthday cards and best wishes to his crime boss friend that he pals around with, he didn't. He could have said that McCain got his start from a convicted felon with ties to the mafia (Hensley) he didn't. He could have called him an agry old man, he didn't. Obama has come accross collected and with a steady hand, McCain comes accross with a new plan every other day. I can see there are no winners or losers, most if not all have made up their minds, a lot have already voted. I can't and won't believe that McCain is the better choice, take out all the broohaha and just measure their plans, for me Obama is better than McCain. I believe the majority of Americans think the same as I do. One thing about people who cheat on their spouses, they are deceitful and liars, John McCain is a cheater and he'll never change.

Rod Martin · Post by **Rod Martin** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:52 pm

Rod Martin · Post by **Rod Martin** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:58 pm

I cannot reply to your last statement.
It has everything in it you accuse us of.
and yet you and [IMHO] all the other Obama followers only see it in us.

CharlieS. · Post by **CharlieS.** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 3:06 pm

There are those that agree with you and hence forth vote along that way . California prob the most lib state there is . Maybe Mass. more so ? Many months ago ,during the primaries ,one of my long time customers called me ,her intention was for me and the wife to attend one of the Obama (mega dollar a plate) fundraisers . They were going to give me a large check ,I inturn was to give O a large check as a "donation" get pics shaking his hand.etc,,etc...probably was worth a few bucks business wise for me personally . No thanx - I'm not in the market to sell myself I told her

. So ,that being said....when I read a post "the majority of Obamas support was under 200.00 per "donation" I about choked. Counted 3 seperate violations in just one dinner x 2 (my wife) . The whole arena is as crooked as can be . I honestly would go to bat for over a hundred non politicians that I know if it would work . I would probably vote for you or anyone here,lol...Its not brain surgery - we have all (most) been tought by our parents right from wrong ,yet we cannot get past the obvious ,why hire a paid liar (atty) to represent us ? I made that mistake one time (my first time voting) as did most young voters (Carter) . Too many coincidences . Cant ,Wont ,Shall never again ever ask a lawyer to run a country .

Dan McKenzie · Post by **Dan McKenzie** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 3:15 pm

that was exactly my point. Only I raised these, not Obama. I did it on a stupid website, not in a national forum. McCain brought this to his campaign, I think he's already choking on it. As for my final statement, I know about cheaters firsthand, I know what kinds of people they are, and I find them extremely objectionable and offensive to the core.
Agree to dis-agree.

hrvestuff · Post by **hrvestuff** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 3:36 pm

McKenzkie said ;

As for my final statement, I know about cheaters firsthand, I know what kinds of people they are, and I find them extremely objectionable and offensive to the core.
.

You are having a tought time McKenzie. As a big Obama fan you haven't been able to cite any special qualifications that he might have, any accomplishment on his political record , but rather scramble for bits of gossip aout McCain and Palin's personal life hoping to impress someone. Meanwhile your idol Barack Hussein Obama has been on record as refusing to wear the American Flag pin, has criticized the words of the National Anthem, has snubbed wounded Iraq vets in a hospital he was scheduled to visit, has voted consistently against funding for the troops, has declared the surge as an experiement in futility, has said "our troops our dropping bombs on villages and killing children in Afghanistan, wrote in his book; "...in a time of crisis I will stand on the side of Isalm" and supports the gay/lesbian ideology that calls for recognition of queers to marry each other (or possibly a goat). Yeah... this guy Obama is a real American all right...right up there with Louis Farrakahn, Wm. Ayers, Jeremiah Wright, .....
and he wants to be Commander in Chief of our Armed Forces????
Hopefull the American voter will send this big-eared muslim back to the woodpile.

-hrvestuff

Andy Lippert · Post by **Andy Lippert** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 3:48 pm

Dan, it's not JUST Ayers...it's not JUST Wright...it's not JUST Rezko...it's them put together to create a history of radicalism. It's his wife saying that for the first time in her life she's proud to be an American (in her 40's) it's him not putting his hand over his heart during the national anthem. It's him taking his American flag off of his lapel and his campaign plane. I could go on forever and include his voting against funding for the troops to try and make a partisan "point", but I won't. The guy is a socialist slime ball, and that's all there is to it. Income redistribution, NO EXTRA DOCTOR PRESENT FOR BOTCHED LATE TERM ABORTIONS (because that would go against the Mother's original plan). HE IS RADICAL. He isn't the patriotic American that I want to be my commander in chief, as a member of the United States Marine Corps, and I'm echoing over 80% of the United States Military when I say that.

So I ask you....PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!!! Tell me WHAT obama will do for our country. PLEASE tell me how he will be a good President. PLEASE tell me how he's going to work for middle America when he has the most liberal voting record in congress. Answer these questions PLEASE...and please don't give an excuse or accuse John McCain of wrong doing to side step the argument that I made in my first paragraph.

I can't believe that ANYONE would want this guy to be our President. It honestly disgusts me.

Thanks for your time.

Andy Lippert

Andy Lippert · Post by **Andy Lippert** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 3:50 pm

haha, you hit send a few minutes ahead of me Harvey. Our two posts make a point together, I guess, haha..

Dan McKenzie · Post by **Dan McKenzie** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 6:53 pm

it's obvious you aren't going to listen to me, you've made up your mind as I have. we disagree. you may be disgusted, but no more so than I am.

Fishin' Dave · Post by **Fishin' Dave** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 6:57 pm

You know what pisses me off about Sean Hannity? Every thing is about Regan. If the weather was good today it was because Regan did it. On and on and on. Give it up dude. It is as bad as Olberman with the O'reiley referances. Yes I watch all the shows; except for Gretta; she sucks. I watch CNN, Fox, MSNBC, and the alphabet stations to make sure nobody from either side is pulling a fast one on me.

Dan McKenzie · Post by **Dan McKenzie** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 7:11 pm

No sense in pointing out that you are homophobic and likely xenophibic as well, you should really seek some help for these issues, under Obamas plan you would be entitled to get a decent and affordable health plan that might cover these issues. Your Gay/lesbian issues really rank low on my priority list, somewhere around abortion. Individual states should decide that stuff by referendum, not from the pulpit of those in Washington. As for my idol, well I hate to pop your rainbow colored baloon, but it isn't Obama. Your continual perpetuation of lies and known rumors further shows your ignorance to reality. Good luck with your problem.

Fishin' Dave · Post by **Fishin' Dave** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 7:29 pm

Dan, as someone who has been a bouncer at a gay bar, you've got the wrong guy. You also are misguided on the whole issue and use typical scare tatics like "racist" when talking about immigration and "homophobic" when talking about gay issues. Gay marriage is like military intellagence, no comprende. Marriage is a man and a woman, period. Two people of the same sex can't get "married" because that is not the meaning of the word. I might as well call your boat a lamp from now on since we are bending words now. no one is saying you can't be gay, or you cant have a civil union and have the same rights as a husband and wife. You just can't be married. Sorry, but I will not bow to your narrow fear tatcis and no one else should either. shame!

Fishin' Dave · Post by **Fishin' Dave** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 7:31 pm

One more point:

under Obamas plan you would be entitled to get a decent and affordable health plan that might cover these issues

I have two health insurances; a union HMO and Kaiser. I am doubble covered!! Neiner neiner. We work for a living around here buddy

Dan McKenzie · Post by **Dan McKenzie** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 8:02 pm

Dave,
my post was meant for Harvey, not you. I know you live in the "hills" but having met you a few times I have respect for you and how hard you work for your family. By the way Rose is about 40 lbs, and mean as a rattler, takes no crap from dog or human alike.

Fishin' Dave · Post by **Fishin' Dave** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 8:15 pm

oh! Well sorry for firing back. Glad the dog is doing well. I'll send you the mama next week

Andy Lippert · Post by **Andy Lippert** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 6:16 am

That's what I figured, Dan. No answer a few days later. I rest my case. Thanks! =)

Andy

Dan McKenzie · Post by **Dan McKenzie** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 7:10 am

Andy,
If I answer would you bother to listen? You rest your case? You have no case, plain and simple. Your using the same old crap that has zero merit. Go back and read/answer some of the other posts where this has all been played out too many times to count.
Good luck, keep safe.

jack65274 · Post by **jack65274** » Sat Oct 18, 2008 12:31 pm

The great thing about the right wingers is that while they keep on entertaining themselves and each other with this mindless drivel about Rev Wright and Bill Ayers, which everyone else realizes has zero merit and means nothing, it allows Mr. Obama to keep on focusing on things that are important to the rest of us. No wonder he is breezing to a victory. Keep up the good work Republicans!.

Guy Kelley · Post by **Guy Kelley** » Sat Oct 18, 2008 2:31 pm

I told ya all it would be getting weird the last few weeks of the election !!

Fair and Balanced, my aching Back !!!

That's like asking Mike Savage to be fair and balanced when he talks about how Liberalism is a mental disease !

I just might tune in to watch the mud racking !!

Greg_Cornish · Post by **Greg_Cornish** » Sat Oct 18, 2008 2:39 pm

jack65274 wrote:The great thing about the right wingers is that while they keep on entertaining themselves and each other with this mindless drivel about Rev Wright and Bill Ayers, which everyone else realizes has zero merit and means nothing, it allows Mr. Obama to keep on focusing on things that are important to the rest of us. No wonder he is breezing to a victory. Keep up the good work Republicans!.

The nice thing that happened is, they started this way to early. If the righties had been hush hush until the last two weeks, many people wouldn't have had time to find it was all untrue. I actually bought into it until I checked it out.

jack65274 · Post by **jack65274** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 11:22 am

I agree Greg. I used to buy into it myself until the last few years. Seems to me like the Republican side didnt used to be so partisan and vindictive but now......it has gotten way out of hand.

Rod Martin · Post by **Rod Martin** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 6:40 am

[I agree Greg. I used to buy into it myself until the last few years. Seems to me like the Republican side didnt used to be so partisan and vindictive but now......it has gotten way out of hand. ]

Funny thats the way a lot of R's feel about the Dems

Ringer · Post by **Ringer** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 6:58 am

What was the reason for Ayers and the rest of the radicals back in the 60's? They were anti-war and beleived we needed social change. They saw America as bad and western europe as good. They thought we needed to move away from capitalism to some form of socialism. Think about it. We have a huge number of boomers who did not save for retirement and will depend on social security and public health care. We have a much larger government which means more workers who are paid to vote for bigger government. We have a much larger percentage of poor and lower middle class than we have upper middle and rich. It is time for Obama to bring a change to a more western european form of government with much larger social programs. This is inevitable and people like me who value individual freedom are pi$$ing into the wind. Big brother is here and if logic prevails he is here to stay. Have you spent time in France? The service sucks and the number one priority of the working class is how much vacation they have a "right" to.

Jeff C. · Post by **Jeff C.** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 7:54 am

You Conservatives just don't get it. With the mess this country is in right now, typical Republican scare tactics won't work. People are going to vote on the issues.

McCain's one chance in this election was to run against his own party on his maverick credentials while at the same time explain how he can bring our country out of this mess. Unfortunately for McCain, his view of running the country is to continue most of the same policies that got us into this mess in the first place. That's why he's doing everything he can to change the conversation away from the issues and that's why he will lose.

CharlieS. · Post by **CharlieS.** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:06 am

Jeff C. wrote:You Conservatives just don't get it. With the mess this country is in right now, typical Republican scare tactics won't work. People are going to vote on the issues.

McCain's one chance in this election was to run against his own party on his maverick credentials while at the same time explain how he can bring our country out of this mess. Unfortunately for McCain, his view of running the country is to continue most of the same policies that got us into this mess in the first place. That's why he's doing everything he can to change the conversation away from the issues and that's why he will lose.

You have a pretty good point .

With "O"s long list of accomplishments ,combined with his marketing strategy (change-yes we can ,4 mo years), and his charisma to many young and old voters ,and combined with the promise of lower taxes to those that dont pay alot in trade to tax more to those that pay more to start ...all that wrapped into a tortilla mixed with government paid medical insurance to anyone that touches American soil we have one heck of an expensive buritto...bon appetite

Ringer · Post by **Ringer** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:26 am

You are wrong. If people were voting on the key issue which is the economy they would vote republican. They are voting for national healthcare and a check in the mail. There is abundant proof the Fannie Mae and Freddie were created and nurtured by democrats starting with Carter yet the public does not want to hear that. If western european socialism is so great why did the people of Canada just vote in conservatives?

Jeff C. · Post by **Jeff C.** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:43 am

Ringer wrote:You are wrong. If people were voting on the key issue which is the economy they would vote republican.

Well lets see. The last time a Democrat was in office we experienced the best economy in our lifetime and a record budget surplus. After 8 years of Bush/McCain we are now experiencing the largest deficit in the history of this country and what could very well become another Great Depression.

Good one Ringer!

Thanks for pointing out why McCain can't run on the economy. LMAO

Ringer · Post by **Ringer** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:00 am

Jeff-you are not being honest. This economy was handling 9/11, the wars and the new homeland security costs just fine. It was brought down by greedy crooks who started out with a desire to give poor citizens housing. It turned into a free mortgage for all with zero income verification. Freddie/Fannie was the single cause of the economic meltdown and you know it.

CharlieS. · Post by **CharlieS.** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:06 am

Jeff C. wrote:
Ringer wrote:You are wrong. If people were voting on the key issue which is the economy they would vote republican.
Well lets see. The last time a Democrat was in office we experienced the best economy in our lifetime and a record budget surplus. After 8 years of Bush/McCain we are now experiencing the largest deficit in the history of this country and what could very well become another Great Depression.

Good one Ringer!

Thanks for pointing out why McCain can't run on the economy. LMAO

Take your household bills ,subtract your home payment ,and then get a second job. That pretty much explains what Clinton did.. Strip the military ..(we all know that happened) and over tax everyone...we did get over taxed ,didnt we? Carter in his stupendous works of art ,also concocted the Dept of Energy ....when is that going to be productive ? Another "needed" part of Government . Its job was to prevent America from having oil / energy problems...NICE job.

Jeff C. · Post by **Jeff C.** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:24 am

Ringer wrote:Jeff-you are not being honest. This economy was handling 9/11, the wars and the new homeland security costs just fine. It was brought down by greedy crooks who started out with a desire to give poor citizens housing. It turned into a free mortgage for all with zero income verification. Freddie/Fannie was the single cause of the economic meltdown and you know it.

Sorry but you're the one who isn't being honest. The record budget deficit and economic meltdown was in place before the current mortgage fiasco. Freddie/Fannie are only part of the problem not the whole problem. Besides, bringing up Freddie/Fannie only hurts your case because it is the Republicans who are always in favor of less government regulation. Also, the Republicans have held the presidency for the last 8 years AND both houses of congress for 12 of the last 14 years. If Freddie/Fannie were leading us to a mortgage crises then why didn't the party in power do something about it?

Face it, you lose on the economy. Let me simplify it for you: Clinton years... very very good. Bush years... very very bad.

Ringer · Post by **Ringer** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:49 am

OK, don't get sand in your eyes. Mortgage bundling has taken down banks all over the world which had nothing to do with our domestic deficits and spending. Had everything to do with mortgages. I do agree that republicans should have done something when they had control but Bush is a dumbass.

Elmhurst bassman · Post by **Elmhurst bassman** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:30 am

Hi Ringer....I am not sure if you fully understand the conservative party in Canada. It is conservative in the socialist framework....It appears that you believe the conservative vote is a rejection of the democratic socialist system in place in Canada. Here are the founding principles of the Canadian Conservative Party. I am sure a few jump out that are not aligned with their U.S counterpart.

-A balance between fiscal accountability, progressive social policy and individual rights and responsibilities;
-Build a national coalition of people who share these beliefs and who reflect the regional, cultural and socio-economic diversity of Canada;
-Develop this coalition, embracing our differences and respecting our traditions, yet honoring a concept of Canada as the greater sum of strong parts;
-The Conservative Party will operate in a manner accountable and responsive to its members;
-A belief in loyalty to a sovereign and united Canada governed in accordance with the Constitution of Canada, the supremacy of democratic parliamentary institutions and the rule of law;
-A belief in the equality of all Canadians;
-A belief in the freedom of the individual, including freedom of speech, worship and assembly;
-A belief in our constitutional monarchy, the institutions of Parliament and the democratic process;
-A belief in the federal system of government as the best expression of the diversity of our country, and in the desirability of strong provincial and territorial governments;
-A belief that English and French have equality of status, and equal rights and privileges as to their use in all institutions of the Parliament and Government of Canada;
-A belief that the best guarantors of the prosperity and well-being of the people of Canada are:
----The freedom of individual Canadians to pursue their enlightened and legitimate self-interest within a competitive economy;
----The freedom of individual Canadians to enjoy the fruits of their labour to the greatest possible extent; and
----The right to own property;
-A belief that a responsible government must be fiscally prudent and should be limited to those responsibilities which cannot be discharged reasonably by the individual or others;
-A belief that it is the responsibility of individuals to provide for themselves, their families and their dependents, while recognizing that government must respond to those who require assistance and compassion;
-A belief that the purpose of Canada as a nation state and its government, guided by reflective and prudent leadership, is to create a climate wherein individual initiative is rewarded, excellence is pursued, security and privacy of the individual is provided and prosperity is guaranteed by a free competitive market economy;
-A belief that the quality of the environment is a vital part of our heritage to be protected by each generation for the next;
-A belief that Canada should accept its obligations among the nations of the world;
-A belief that good and responsible government is attentive to the people it represents and has representatives who at all times conduct themselves in an ethical manner and display integrity, honesty and concern for the best interest of all;
-A belief that all Canadians should have reasonable access to quality health care regardless of their ability to pay; and
-A belief that the greatest potential for achieving social and economic objectives is under a global trading regime that is free and fair.

This is cut and paste from the party website

http://www.conservative.ca/

There are also explanations of their major policy positions if you are interested.

BTW- They weren't just 'voted in' as you indicate. The conservatives were in power before this election albeit with a minority government. The conservative party felt that they may be able to gain enough seats to establish a majority government thus they called an election. The end result was they gained some seats but still have to operate under the restrictions of a minority government.

So the end result was another waste of taxpayers time and money.

I guess I should point out that I am a Canadian Citizen/ US Permanent Resident that just voted conservative in the last Canadian election.

Ringer · Post by **Ringer** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:58 am

Interesting and yes I knew they still did not take a controlling position. I suppose that some of the credo is good but I am missing the right to own and bear arms.

StockOption · Post by **StockOption** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 7:45 pm

Jeff C. wrote:Face it, you lose on the economy. Let me simplify it for you: Clinton years... very very good. Bush years... very very bad.

LOL

Gee who controlled the house and senate during all of slick Willies BJ years?

Hmmmmm....I wonder.

Give me a break. You are delusional if you think he can take sole credit for the economy during his terms. Big time. He can take FULL credit for the last president to have articles of impeachment drawn up. Such a shining moment in his presidency. LOL LOL

Our government works great when this key check and balance is in place. All one sided we the people get screwed.

Greg_Cornish · Post by **Greg_Cornish** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 7:47 pm

LOL
Gee who controlled the house and senate during 6 of 8 year of GWB no BJ years?

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