5mph or no wake - is there a difference?

[obsessed fisherman]

The other day I was traveling in Sandmound going between 4.5mph and 5. I guy used a bull horn to remind me I was in a "no wake zone". I indicated I was only doing 5mph by hand, but was by him and didn't think it was worth turning around to argue my case.

So the question I have; is 5mph considered no wake, or do you slow down to 3mph or less to produce less wake? I think I just came by a guy who likes to use his bull horn, but want to be a considerate boater.

PS: my boat is a 16' tracker

[mac (Doyle McEwen)]

You know it is really strange how people look at the 5mph of no wake zones..In truth if the boat is moving under any type of power there will be a wake, but a really low speeds the wake is virtually unnoticeable..Some boats going 5mph will put out a pretty good wake..I wouldn't expect a 16' Tracker to though, but it is possible..There are some boats that will put out a larger wake at slow speed than they do on plane..You should always check your wake in the no wake areas and see if you are putting out only a little wake or quite a bit of wake..

You are also right, there are some people that will raise hades with you, no matter how slow you are going..

mac

[Ba-Ba-Bass]

It doesn't matter how slow you go in Sandmound that guy will SQUACK no matter what. When I started fishing I was in a 12' jon boat and he was on that thing. I was barely moving and he was "reminding" me of the no wake zone. just as I get out of the bouy you know waht happens a bass boat flys thruogh there and that guy went ballistic LOL funny hearing him and that boat was gone

[Andy Giannini]

I carry my own bullhorn.

When cruisers wake me I, "Thank you for your courtesy!"

Harbor Freight has them on sale right now in Stockton, 16 bucks or 9 bucks, some ridiculous low price like that. Mine is a different brand, a Fanon but they are all pretty much made in China anyway.

They come in handy for tournaments, the TD's horn may have dead batts etc.

A.G.

[Caudawg]

This is a GREAT question! It also happens to be one of my pet peaves. If I am in a 5 mph zone I make sure my "following wake" is minimal. Especially if there are anglers or swimmers nearby. That is why the 5 mph signs or boueys are there. If nobody is around and there are no boats on docks...I will goose it up a bit but still try to keep it near 5 MPH.

I believe in the "do unto others..." saying. And I HATE it when the water I am fishing in a 5 mph zone gets "waked" by someone who is probably totally oblivious to his "following wake". This is the wake that they are not aware of becasue it is behind them and by the time it reaches other boats or the shoreline, that driver is well past. He may have technically been going 5 MPH but his wake was bigger than he thought.

I also try to navigate well past other anglers when I put the boat on pad. The wake created by a boat coming up on pad is bigger than some people realize. And the noise from a boat coming up on pad can't be a good thing for those fishing close by. Again, it's a courtesy thing...but lots of guys don't even think about it. The mouth of Rodman slough is a good example of a place this happens all the time.

OK, I'm done with my rant...

[sTony]

Some people are out there just to rain on everyone's parade. Personally I'd ignore the guy with the bullhorn. Depending on current and such you can be going 5 mph and still throwing a good wake. Don't let GPS by your guide. Take a visual inspection of your wake.

sTony

[201Pro]

One thing that helps with minimizing the wake in 5MPH zones is to trim UP your motor as high as possible ...

[bassindon69]

5 mph means 5 mph and No Wake means No Wake. Simple as that. If you read more into it then that you need a ticket


Don.

[Cooch]

5 mph means 5 mph and No Wake means No Wake. Simple as that. If you read more into it then that you need a ticket Don.

EXACTLY. Yes there is a huge difference between 5mph zones and no wake zones. The biggest problem is with most of you boaters, is you DO NOT live on the water, and have property that is eroded and or damaged by the wakes of boaters. Your only concern is to get to your next spot. I am constantly reminding bass fishermen as they come through and past my dock. I may not use a bull horn, but I will always motion to slow down and drop that wake down. It's really frustrating guys, when ya sit on our side of the dock. I somtimes go blank headed myself and get reminded. If they ask or tell me ta slow down, I don't argue, just do it.

The area surrounding Bethel Island and Sandmound, where you have docks and residents on either or both sides, is NO WAKE. Piper, Taylor, Dutch and Sandmound, are ALL no wake when yer on the dock sides. No Wake, as defined by the Contra Costa County sherrifs patrol, and we've had conversations with the BigBossMan here himself, both on the water and in this forum, No Wake means that first wake coming off yer transom, better not be white wash and cresting.

Now, in areas like from the Opening at Franks, to Russo's, it's 5mph until ya hit the end of that Island at the Rusty Porthole, then it's NO WAKE. The section of Sandmound at Emerald Point Marina, is 5 mph, yet if you cross over inside the tule islands, where yer right next to the docks, it's NO Wake. Same thing down in Rock, on the south side of the tule island before the bridge, it's 5mph, but if yer on the north side of the tules next to the docks, it's NO WAKE.

It's really all about using common sense, if yer around people's docks that have boats and other personal property on the water, it's NO WAKE. And ya better heed that because as we ALL know, the law says, "We are responsible for our own wake".

[Cooch]

One thing that helps with minimizing the wake in 5MPH zones is to trim UP your motor as high as possible ...

Actually Chris, I think trimming down provides less wake. When you trim up, it raises the bow of yer boat. The motor is now pointing skyward. Yer motors thrust is now forcing the wide, back end of yer boat down into the water, hence creating more push of the widest part of yer boat, creating a larger wake.

[Marty]

Good question and Great answers – now I know there is a difference – I was treating them both the same!

[Cooch]

This is the kind of erosion many of us, as water front home owners, are faced with. This is the water front in my back yard here on Sandmound. This is what has occured in the 4 years that I have resided here. My back area was flat and the fencing fine when I first moved here. Unfortunately, very few of us have the financial ability to put in the $35k-50K storm walls offered by KentoCo, much less the $20-25K worth of rock, which is the cheap way out. Now not all of this is caused by boat wakes, many other natural occurances here cause this type of errosion, high tides, the flodding and high waters of 2005 & 2006, beavers, burrowing racoons and a host of other critters which are near impossible for us to control.

Boaters and their wakes, are something we can address and at least attempt to slow down that occurance by our warnings as ya drive by. In all fairness, we don't yell at boaters to slow down for no reason at all.

[speedo]

While we're on the topic...BREAK YOUR DAMN WAKE!! I get this all the time at my marina. Boat going by at 5 mph, but they never "broke the wake" and it's like having a friggin wakeboard boat go by. If you slow down slowly, you're going to have a huge wake behind you. Pull all the way back off the throttle, wait until your wake catches up to you and gives you a little nudge, and then proceed.

OK, I feel better ;-{)

[CN]

Well that's the price you pay living right on the water.You expect no erosion at all.I seriosly doubt that's all caused by boat wake's.

I agree you slow down let your wake catch up to you then proceed at just an idle very simple.

[DeltaDan]

Sunday afternoon -- DeltaLuke and I were leaving the Marina side of Disco .... Heard the "BOOM BOOM" from way behind us- turned to see a boat 300 yards back by Drakes


As we were nearing Indian bay -- They were 100 yards.

They were passing us as alot of people kept whistling and myself to get his attention. and then someone finally ran in to get a bull horn - where the palm tree house is. ( The Ellsworht's House ... Known them from years on past along with his wife and daughters)

Called on Bull Horn, Siren Calls from it in different tones ....

These dudes were oblivious -- Stero crankin' 400 watts of some jibberish pushing a 3' wake ... got on it even more and taking out a Lund fishing boat with 3 fly fishers fishing the opening w/o a care in the world.

Fact of the matter -- the Pilot "just did not care" --had 2 girls in the front of the boat bow seats with poles in hands even - so they were fishing for something in the back bays.

I had to cut the turn close to the pipes -- so I could get on it as when they did -- and not have to jump their wakes later. -- My fisrt goal was seperating them from us as far and possible as they wanted to play kiss *** for some reason as well cause I was in front of them.


Sometimes you think to yourselves -- WTF are these people on ??

[Steve]

This is the kind of erosion many of us, as water front home owners, are faced with. This is the water front in my back yard here on Sandmound. This is what has occured in the 4 years that I have resided here. My back area was flat and the fencing fine when I first moved here. Unfortunately, very few of us have the financial ability to put in the $35k-50K storm walls offered by KentoCo, much less the $20-25K worth of rock, which is the cheap way out. Now not all of this is caused by boat wakes, many other natural occurances here cause this type of errosion, high tides, the flodding and high waters of 2005 & 2006, beavers, burrowing racoons and a host of other critters which are near impossible for us to control.

Boaters and their wakes, are something we can address and at least attempt to slow down that occurance by our warnings as ya drive by. In all fairness, we don't yell at boaters to slow down for no reason at all.

Cooch, you and every other waterside property owner bought your land knowing that you were adjacent to public waterways and a public resource heavily used by the public. As such, you accepted prior to purchase that your property was going to be affected by said public use and of course the tides and everything else. Many property owners, as you know, go way overboard with the attitude of ownership of adjacent public resources, and in reality it is they that are creating problems. The problems and cost associated with ownership of waterside properties should not be the burden of anybody other than the property owner, and the property owner is breaking the law if they harrass in any way those utilizing the public resource lawfully. With that said, I always respect the no wake idea, irregardless of whether or not there is a sign or buoy telling me so. I just wish property owners had more respect for the general public trying to enjoy a day on their public resources which they have every right to enjoy without harrassment. Because as we all know, the "public" gave those property owners the priveledge to build docks and breakwalls (in the form of government oversight and permitting).

[Andy Giannini]

Steve is correct in that to build a dock, you must obtain several different permits, to encroach upon the public waterway.

But Cooch's retaining wall failure looks to me like previous high water events. (No disrespect Cooch.) I see this often at work. The homeowner hires a couple guys from the bar to build a retaining wall. (Or from wherever, I am just joking.) No plans, no engineering stamp, deadmans, french drains, tie backs or nothing, no permit either. Just some boards, and light dry fill, which works fine and looks ok during periods of drought. I am sure Cooch bought it that way and it looked fine. Add rain, and extremely high tides, and that dry fill weighs TONS more. Also the water will lubricate the soil helping it slide. The tide goes out, and you get a retaining wall failure. But not really because the design could never handle that load, and it truely wasn't a retaining wall, it was more of a temporary lawn ornament.

Not trying to take away from the mind your wake arguement at all. People should, but they don't. I always liken it to giving the finger to people when its blatant. Its the same.

Funny thing is, if you come off pad to respect some other bass anglers, they give you a dirty look. Like you just slowed down to spy on them. So often given some room I just stay on pad, and keep on going.

A.G.

[Slippy]

pull your weeds Cooch

[Cooch]

Cooch, you and every other waterside property owner bought your land knowing that you were adjacent to public waterways and a public resource heavily used by the public. As such, you accepted prior to purchase that your property was going to be affected by said public use and of course the tides and everything else.

I'm not disputing that point Steve, Yet quite frankly, no, I never signed anything in writing with in my purchase agreement and contract, that I would accept any kind of abuse or negligent actions by boaters, that causes damage to my property. It's just like a car buddy, you get careless and ram into my fence in the front yard, YOU are responsible for the damage. It's very clear in the boating regulars, we as boaters, ARE responsible for any damage our wakes cause. That's far more black and white than most realize.

Many property owners, as you know, go way overboard with the attitude of ownership of adjacent public resources, and in reality it is they that are creating problems.

I'm not disputing that there are some idiot owners out there that do some really stupid and uncalled for things. But there are far more recreational boaters, who are far more negligant and either do not know the laws of the waterways, or just plain don't give a hoot. The law regarding "no wake", are very black and white.

The problems and cost associated with ownership of waterside properties should not be the burden of anybody other than the property owner, and the property owner is breaking the law if they harrass in any way those utilizing the public resource lawfully.

Here, you are just wrong. I am not breaking the law, by telling you to slow down and break yer wake. It's no different than if I'm walking my dog past yer house every day, and fer some reason she likes to take a crap right there on the corner of yer well manicured lawn, leave it there and move on with out regard. That IS breaking the law, and you as the property owner, have every right to confront me, in an attempt to protect your personal property.

Secondly, it is this type of interpretation where those who are indeed breaking the law by going too fast in a no wake zone, come in with this attitude that they are being harassed. It's a NO WAKE zone, purty simple. The Law states, YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOU OWN WAKE. And if your wake causes damage to my personal property, you will be held accountable. That's the law Steve.

With that said, I always respect the no wake idea, irregardless of whether or not there is a sign or buoy telling me so. I just wish property owners had more respect for the general public trying to enjoy a day on their public resources which they have every right to enjoy without harrassment. Because as we all know, the "public" gave those property owners the priveledge to build docks and breakwalls (in the form of government oversight and permitting).

I certainly as a waterfront property owner do appreciate your direction of thought and respect, and I believe I do speak for the rest of the community who feal the same way. I have also been on the other side, a boat owner who enjoys his time on the water and has experienced many dealings with property owners. I can atest, my thought processes have indeed changed since being a water front property owner, dating back to 1995 with my property on Lake Of The Pines and now a permanant resident here on Sandmound since 2004-5.

I'm not laying the burden of my land on anyone. I clearly stated in my post the many natural causes that had more affect on the slippage in my yard. I'm not blaming boaters for that. But I and many other owners do have "water garages", to which we store very valuable personal equiptment and toys. These are the personal property that get damaged more by wakes, than the errosion cause to the landscape.

I simpley used that as an example(albeit maybe not the best example) to express a point in regards to the original posters question regarding the difference between 5 MPH and "no wake". It was also an effort to maybe give folks a greater insight, as to the real reasons property owners speak out to protect there personal property. It has been mentioned in this thread a couple of times, we're just harassing, just like ta use the bull horn, or are raining on someones parade. The reason some of these folks use a bullhorn, is because most boaters just ignore the warnings when asked to slow down. That bullhorn, indeed gets yer attention. Butit's not done with wreckless abandon or with out reason as mentioned by a few here.

The point is, there indeed is a difference between 5 mph and No Wake, I have only tried to put forth some comentary, so that we all can see it from both sides of the fence.

[Cooch]

To hell with that Slipprz, it's the only thing the Levee district will allow me to grow with roots, to hold that bank together! And if'n I do pull em, you got no place to flip when ya come fish my dock every weekend! HAR! HAR! HAR!

[Dan McKenzie]

I looked at the California boating law and did not come accross a definition of a "wake". At what point is it considered a wake? Obviously any watercraft moving at any speed will creat some disturbance in the water, I know I heard once if they can see "white" it's a wake.

[Cooch]

I looked at the California boating law and did not come accross a definition of a "wake". At what point is it considered a wake? Obviously any watercraft moving at any speed will creat some disturbance in the water, I know I heard once if they can see "white" it's a wake.

Dan, No Wake, as defined by the Contra Costa County sherrifs patrol, and we've had conversations with the BigBossMan here himself, both on the water and in this forum, No Wake means that first wake coming off yer transom, better not be white wash and cresting.

[Slippy]

remember the shindig a few months ago when that 12lb bass jumped outta the water and ate that bird right off of that little tree in the water by your house... Couch?

[sTony]

That bullhorn, indeed gets yer attention. But it's not done with wreckless abandon or with out reason as mentioned by a few here.

Whatever you say Andy. I've had it happen to me when I wasn't even moving under power but just floating with the current. The original post eludes to some yahoo with a bullhorn who thinks a 5 mph zone and a no wake zone are the one and the same.

You showed a photo of your backyard and your post certainly read like you were blaming boat wakes for those problems as that was what the thread was all about. Your post says that there were other factors but the boaters were one you could more easily and financially address.

Which kind of leads me to scratch me head and wonder...

Why do so many folks purchase levee built, shoreline accessed homes that don't have the financial means to maintain the property? If someone buys a home they take on some obligation to maintain said property. I bought my last couple homes knowing that there was a lot of landscaping that needed to be done. Most forms of landscaping require upkeep. It usually requires time and money to do so. What makes maintaining your shoreline any different? The water was there all along and we all know it sometimes rises and falls, that rain hits it on occasion and causes erosion. You had to know when you moved there that other creatures live on the Delta also. That they might actually make their home right beneath yours. Hey I deal with ants, spiders, birds and the like all the time. Waterside homes just have those and other creatures as well. And being a boater you had to know that many of them do as they will and as many are respectful of your property and the laws that govern their use around it.

But, hey, you knew all of this when you decided to buy the property.

I liken it to the folks that buy houses on golf courses and then want to chew out every golfer who hits an errant shot. The liability isn't with the golfer in such instances, but with the folks who knowingly purchased a house on the fairway of a golf course. If you do so you have to do it knowing that somebodies gonna put a golf shot through that lovely pane of glass that looks out over the nicely manicured course. How many times it happens is what you and your pricey insurance company have to deal with and it's a downside to the decision you make when you buy.

So you're rant basically says it easier to yell at a boater then a raccoon, beaver or even mother nature, even though you admit that they're a bigger cause to your problem then the boater.

Did I get that right?

sTony

[sTony]

To hell with that Slipprz, it's the only thing the Levee district will allow me to grow with roots, to hold that bank together! And if'n I do pull em, you got no place to flip when ya come fish my dock every weekend! HAR! HAR! HAR!

BTW, roots contribute to problems on levees also. As they potentially can where ever any sort of plant is grown. I don't see how that really holds a rock bank together at all. My folks have to remove a redwood tree from their property because the roots are starting to effect the foundation of their neighbors home. Cost to remove the tree before it gets any bigger is about $4,000. But that's part of the deal when you buy a home with a bunch of redwoods on it. You assume certain liabilities.

sTony

[Tin Can]

I liken it to the folks that buy houses on golf courses and then want to chew out every golfer who hits an errant shot. The liability isn't with the golfer in such instances, but with the folks who knowingly purchased a house on the fairway of a golf course. If you do so you have to do it knowing that somebodies gonna put a golf shot through that lovely pane of glass that looks out over the nicely manicured course. How many times it happens is what you and your pricey insurance company have to deal with and it's a downside to the decision you make when you buy.

I'm not sure this is right. A buddy of mine had to replace a window he broke on a golf course. I've also seen on more than one course signs stating that if you damage property you are resposible for it.

This golf talk is making me want to play a round!

[Biff]

$4000.00 to remove a tree, what are you smokeing

[Cooch]

BTW, roots contribute to problems on levees also. As they potentially can where ever any sort of plant is grown. I don't see how that really holds a rock bank together at all. My folks have to remove a redwood tree from their property because the roots are starting to effect the foundation of their neighbors home. Cost to remove the tree before it gets any bigger is about $4,000. But that's part of the deal when you buy a home with a bunch of redwoods on it. You assume certain liabilities.

sTony

Totally agree, that's one of the reasons District 799 won't allow us to plant big trees on the levee itself, especially down at the water line. We've seen all too many times when a big wind storm blows one of them big old suckers over, it takes out giant gouges of land with it! One of the reasons why they leveled all the trees along the western side of Holland Tract along Sandmound two summers ago. The trees were uprooting and degregating the levees.

[sTony]

I'm not sure this is right. A buddy of mine had to replace a window he broke on a golf course. I've also seen on more than one course signs stating that if you damage property you are resposible for it.

This golf talk is making me want to play a round!

Depends on which golf course you're on. When it happened to me I was getting ready pull out my wallet and the marshal on the course said to put it away.

sTony

[sTony]

$4000.00 to remove a tree, what are you smokeing

They've got some rather significantly sized redwoods on the property and what you wrote is exactly my my folks asked the arborist that's taking them out. They shopped it around and found there was no cheap way to get it done by anyone qualified to do so.

sTony

[Andy Giannini]

Have to figure the size of the tree, and the roots, (Sounds like roots were the problem and a big stump grind was in order.) taking it down next to powerlines, adjacent structures, there might also be tough slopes to operate on. There can be many elements to factor in, including profit.

But hey, some little trees are easy.

A.G.

[Biff]

$4000.00 to remove a tree, what are you smokeing

They've got some rather significantly sized redwoods on the property and what you wrote is exactly my my folks asked the arborist that's taking them out. They shopped it around and found there was no cheap way to get it done by anyone qualified to do so.

sTony

To help out yer parents you should posted If anybody has a hook up, sometimes it pay's to ask. I have a friend that work's for a little company called Davey Tree, more than Qulified.

[sTony]

I suppose I could have done that but they're not local to me and it was their job not mine. Butting into dear old Dad's business is something I try not to ever do.

sTony

[Cooch]

Whatever you say Andy. I've had it happen to me when I wasn't even moving under power but just floating with the current. The original post eludes to some yahoo with a bullhorn who thinks a 5 mph zone and a no wake zone are the one and the same.

You showed a photo of your backyard and your post certainly read like you were blaming boat wakes for those problems as that was what the thread was all about. Your post says that there were other factors but the boaters were one you could more easily and financially address.

Which kind of leads me to scratch me head and wonder...

Why do so many folks purchase levee built, shoreline accessed homes that don't have the financial means to maintain the property? If someone buys a home they take on some obligation to maintain said property. I bought my last couple homes knowing that there was a lot of landscaping that needed to be done. Most forms of landscaping require upkeep. It usually requires time and money to do so. What makes maintaining your shoreline any different? The water was there all along and we all know it sometimes rises and falls, that rain hits it on occasion and causes erosion. You had to know when you moved there that other creatures live on the Delta also. That they might actually make their home right beneath yours. Hey I deal with ants, spiders, birds and the like all the time. Waterside homes just have those and other creatures as well. And being a boater you had to know that many of them do as they will and as many are respectful of your property and the laws that govern their use around it.

But, hey, you knew all of this when you decided to buy the property.

I liken it to the folks that buy houses on golf courses and then want to chew out every golfer who hits an errant shot. The liability isn't with the golfer in such instances, but with the folks who knowingly purchased a house on the fairway of a golf course. If you do so you have to do it knowing that somebodies gonna put a golf shot through that lovely pane of glass that looks out over the nicely manicured course. How many times it happens is what you and your pricey insurance company have to deal with and it's a downside to the decision you make when you buy.

So you're rant basically says it easier to yell at a boater then a raccoon, beaver or even mother nature, even though you admit that they're a bigger cause to your problem then the boater.

Did I get that right? sTony

No, ya didn't get it right, more is being read into what I said, versus the intent of my original point of this post.

The poster asked:

"So the question I have; is 5mph considered no wake, or do you slow down to 3mph or less to produce less wake?

The bottom line is "Yes" there is a difference between the two. You have areas that are marked 5mph zones, and with in some of those areas, there is a law that applies that you must proceede with No Wake within a given distance of moored boats on a dock. And it DOES NOT, have to be posted NO WAKE, for this to apply. There is also a seperate law, that states, we as boat operators, ARE responsible for our wake. My examples had nothing to do with my personal financial ability, the decission to purchase my property, the state of my property, nor as I clearly stated, was it my intent to blame boaters, for damage to my waterfront land. I don't understand what part of my statement,

I'm not laying the burden of my land on anyone. I clearly stated in my post the many natural causes that had more affect on the slippage in my yard. I'm not blaming boaters for that.

ya didn't git?

Additionally here, I was simply attempting to give the readers a perspective, from the other side as to why one might go overboard when using a bull horn. It's obvious to me, that unless you are fortunate enough to own waterfront property, some folks have a completely different perspective and outlook of what's going on around them when boating. We see it, every, single day. The recreational user, only knows what he experiences on any given day he happens to be on the water, or when he happens ta drive past Emerald or the clown in Taylor. Those two don't speak for the Majority. Yet because those two are the most diligent, vocal and bothersome to boaters, we're all catagorized as such.

This is not, and was never about ME, it's about sharing some insight so that we all can enjoy the same resource we have here.

[BigBossMan]

The water requires you to know Harbor and Navigation Codes, California Code of Regulations, Vehicle Code, and County Ordinances. I’m referring to the Contra Costa Section of the Delta for County Ordinances.

5 zones are different from no wake zones. No wake means no wake. If there is any white water at the top of the wake, then you have a wake and you have a violation for a “No wakeâ€

[TWinger]

This reminds me of when I was much younger and Lived in Orange county by Disneyland. We had moved to a home near the John Wayne Airport, one of the most busy in the area. Soon after we began to hear from others about the noise in the area from the planes coming in and going out. It over the years became such a major problem, that the cryers in the area knowing the airport was there before they moved in, took the county and the airport to court and won a judgement. Thus now when you fly out of John Wayne, you just get airborn when they throttle back so much your heart drops out of your chest if you are not used to it and you think you are falling from the sky. Then once over the ocean they put the throttle to it and up you go. Very Un-nerving the first time it happens to you. Some of you must have experienced this. The morale is people always believe what they want until reality really sets in. Then the need for instant gratification sets in and we do what we must to instantly make us feel better. Yelling at someone else.

[tunaman]

It's called a noise-abatement take off... as a speed junkie, I love it. I understand that most of the pilots hate it though, and it certainly seems to be a dangerous maneuver.

Roger

[TWinger]

It was a white knuckle thing for me the first time and then the second, but now it is old hat and you wait for it. It is like sex for the first time. It is never quit as exciting after that. Ha Ha Ha

[Ringer]

All our no wake zones in AZ are also 5mph zones. If you are blowing through on plane or plowing a big wake with a pekkerboat it makes no difference, you are rude and arrogant. There are plenty of bass fishermen that think they can rock through a no wake at full speed because they are special. No different than a rude wakeboater. Some people are just jerks that think the law doesn't apply to them. That said there are plenty of people who buy waterfront and think they have a right to yell at every boater. IMO if the law says no wake or 5mph which is low wake then you should abide by that even if you know how to fish.

[Brian]

It was a white knuckle thing for me the first time and then the second, but now it is old hat and you wait for it. It is like sex for the first time. It is never quit as exciting after that. Ha Ha Ha

HAHAHA I fly out of there often, now I just watch the expressions of the other passengers that have never flown out of there before. Sometimes the pilot warns them, sometimes he doesn’t. Funny stuff……..

[TWinger]

You will like this then Brian. Once back in the mid eights, I was in Eureka Ca and had to fly out of there to Sac airport for a trial. It was raining very hard when we lifted off the ground and soon we were in white out conditions from heavy snow. We were in a 12 seat plane , a commercial hopper and it would normally not be too bad in a larger plane, but I puckered up big time when I could no longer see the wing tip of the plane from the white out snow. I was not too far behind the pilot and co-pilot so I asked them worriedly in these conditions it must be hard to know up from down, not realizing how funny that must have sounded to them. The co-pilot says back, "Oh it is very easy, your seat belt will get tight if we are upside down." It was not so funny at the time as it was another white knuckler for me, but they must have laughed there arses off even until today about that. I now thnk it was very funny what he said.

[Andy Giannini]

Funny observation to no wake or 5, do not venture forth when the river is full to brim, and people are peeking over sandbags. Just prior to the river closing, or just after it opens.

If you kick out a wake, that might top those bags, forget the bullhorn.

People might just shoot at you.

I'm not saying its right, just be very respective when the river is high. It has happened before.

.02 and all jokes aside.

A.G.

[RichThiel]

Wake a Boat under 16' >

You could right a Ton of tickets on that alone, especially around Franks Track, Old River, Dutch, and Middle River around Bullfrog.

Most of them Laosian's in 14' boats with honda's rap'in the Delta

Rich

[Marty]

It is like sex for the first time. It is never quit as exciting after that. Ha Ha Ha

Troy, your not doing it right if it any exciting anymore

I have flown out of John Wayne Air Port and I did not think it was that bad. If you want white knuckle obsession fly out of Istanbul Turkey – all of their pilots are also the Air Force pilots and all their take-offs and landings are like they are flying a combat jet.

As for the 5mph vs the no wake zones – I learned a lot from reading this post!

One question – BigBossMan where did you find out what is a zone 5 – is there a web site?

[jimmy87]

come on people. whats going on with jumping Andys case?

He is just saying boats need to keep the wake down in no wake zones. jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez
I read all of his post and he never said anyone owes him for damage to his propertey due to boating. He is just asking for boaters to follow the law of the water!!!!!!!!!!!
How do you like people driving past your house doing 50 MPH in the 25?
this thread is being made into somthing it is not.

[Caudawg]

come on people. whats going on with jumping Andys case?

He is just saying boats need to keep the wake down in no wake zones. jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez
I read all of his post and he never said anyone owes him for damage to his propertey due to boating. He is just asking for boaters to follow the law of the water!!!!!!!!!!!
How do you like people driving past your house doing 50 MPH in the 25?
this thread is being made into somthing it is not.

Right on Jimmy! Holy cow! Here we have a guy like Cooch who shares more killer fishing info than the average guy... a guy who friggin lives on the delta literally and figuratively...and he is sharing his unique point of view here.

Why do some of you guys feel like you have to bust his chops for something like this? This is a fishing forum and Cooch does not have to share his thoughts here. Sheesh! Let's make a mountain out of a molehill!

[obsessed fisherman]

Wow. I've posted to the forum before, but never got anyone to respond. This seems to be a hot buttom topic.

In conclusion, I was not aware that there were no wake zones and 5mph zones. I've always known no wake by docks and boats, but again thought this meant 5mph. Thanks to all for the clarification.

I will watch my wake in the future, but I'm 99% sure my first wake off the transon was not cresting on the day in question. Thanks to all for the responses. Cooch, I hope your blood pressure has returned to a healthy level.

The whole point is to be a responsible boater, or neighbor, or driver, or what ever the case may be.

[sker13]

come on people. whats going on with jumping Andys case?

He is just saying boats need to keep the wake down in no wake zones. jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez
I read all of his post and he never said anyone owes him for damage to his propertey due to boating. He is just asking for boaters to follow the law of the water!!!!!!!!!!!
How do you like people driving past your house doing 50 MPH in the 25?
this thread is being made into somthing it is not.

Right on Jimmy! Holy cow! Here we have a guy like Cooch who shares more killer fishing info than the average guy... a guy who friggin lives on the delta literally and figuratively...and he is sharing his unique point of view here.

Why do some of you guys feel like you have to bust his chops for something like this? This is a fishing forum and Cooch does not have to share his thoughts here. Sheesh! Let's make a mountain out of a molehill!

+1 I don't see what the issue is with what Andy said. The difference between 5mph and no-wake is obvious no matter where you live. It comes down to respect for others and respect for the law. If you don't have any then I hope you get a ticket or a Bull Horn up your arse. Buy the way my first reaction to someone yelling at me to slow down when I'm not doing anything wrong is F- OFF.

[jimmy87]

The whole point is to be a responsible boater, or neighbor, or driver, or what ever the case may be.

exaclty.

[jimmy87]

Buy the way my first reaction to someone yelling at me to slow down when I'm not doing anything wrong is F- OFF.

same here. and I have been yelled at in no wake zones.
Its been some years but when I was told to slow down I really stopped and looked at what took place. I am certain the wake was extremly small if it was a wake at all.
I always turn my head and look behind at the wake to make sure.
its the only way to know if you are waking. the wake depends on current, wind, trim, load in boat, among other factors Iam probably not even aware.
once in a while I catch myself waking without knowing it.

yes some of those guys are just waiting for a wake so they can vent their anger witch is wrong.

wakes are a bitch. I had the cleet ripped right off my boat when tied at a dock just long enough to get a soda. I came out to see my boat jumping out of the water. the boat was even taking water on.
I was tied up at bullfrog landing and coming out of the store.
never did see the boat that caused the HUGE wake. I will not point fingers here but I am pretty sure it was not a bass boat on plane.

funny thing of it is that the person who caused the damage probaly has no idea what happened.
I think that education in this department may help out with our boating.
I encourge people to read and learn the abc's of boating.


maybe others here should share damage caused directley from wakes.